Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Lulldapull]

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have always had military relations. How much can they actually help each other - or indeed need each other's help against their respective enemy - is open to debate.

Pakistan helping Saudis against the juice or Saudi Arabia coming to Pakistan's help against the Hindutvas - only time will tell.

Juice runs sawdi judea and the GCC.

We know this. Indians their biggest customers.

What services will we be providing other than security guard duty?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

no word yet by Force Magazine

 

[RajaBaja]

Isn’t that what Pakistani troops are doing there anyway? What new obligations have Pakistani forces been signed up to do?

Pakistani forces have absolutely NO relation with Yemen. This is a NATO like alliance. It's explained above in posts, kindly review.

Consider it a 3 in 1 pact: 1: Mutual defense & war agreement 2: Defense industry establishment agreement and 3: Economic integration and growth agreement!

 

[MMM-E]

Our Pakistani Brothers should take hundreds of billions of Dollars from rich Saudis to protect KSA ... lol

 

[RajaBaja]

Our Pakistani Brothers should take hundreds of billions of Dollars from rich Saudis to protect KSA ... lol
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This is a defense agreement. Not a bank robbery. Both nations will put in what they need to, to build a better force than NATO. NATO still uses 50 year old equipment. This alliance will acquire initially and build slowly the best equipment on latest technologies creating a Pakistan-Saudi defense industry also.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Yes, Would not surprise me at all if we had a large J-10 and J-35 buys (possibly 100 J-10Cs and 40-60 J-35s). Partly if not wholly Saudi funded.

Sorry to disappoint but this will not happen. There is no value in buying more J-10 C's which worked only in a specific situation to take out the aircraft used by India to attack Pakistan on May 6th & 7th. The Indians have since learned to counter these jets and obviously pass the knowledge on to Israel. The J-10 C has had its moment of glory which will live in history ( repeat history) . It is a moot point how the J-10 C would perform against F-35 F-16 or F-15 aircraft in a Middle Eastern conflict
J-35s are an unknown factor and we shall see how they perform in the next arial BVR dogfight, if such an event ever happens, It is highly unlikely that J-35s will be able to take on F-35s ,
What IS likely to happen would be more mass Brahmos, Scalp, and Prithvi attacks, literally in the thousands. Pakistan has minimal missile defense capabilities, and there is no system in the world that can guarantee more than a 30% interception rate against Brahmos and Scalp missiles. The only option is deterrence threatening the aggressor with reciprocal damage and Pakistan is behind in this field too. Unless Pakistan acquires thousands of supersonic or hypersonic missiles, as potent as HIMARS or ISKANDERS, there is no deterrence for any aggressor to mount a far more devastating attack than what was delivered on May 9th-10th 2025

Saudis are aware of the shortcomings of Pakistan's missile defense, and also Pakistan's modest retaliation capability. They are unlikely to fund anything that contributes to Pakistan's own territorial defense (primarily against India) which is of least concern to them.

 

[MMM-E]

This is a defense agreement. Not a bank robbery. Both nations will put in what they need to, to build a better force than NATO. NATO still uses 50 year old equipment. This alliance will acquire initially and build slowly the best equipment on latest technologies creating a Pakistan-Saudi defense industry also.

S.Arabia and Pakistan dont have technology to build a Defense Industry
and you are talking about to build a better force than NATO ... so funny

Saudi Arabia buys Pakistan's nuclear deterrent ....

 

[Yasser76]

Sorry to disappoint but this will not happen. There is no value in buying more J-10 C's which worked only in a specific situation to take out the aircraft used by India to attack Pakistan on May 6th & 7th. The Indians have since learned to counter these jets and obviously pass the knowledge on to Israel. The J-10 C has had its moment of glory which will live in history ( repeat history) . It is a moot point how the J-10 C would perform against F-35 F-16 or F-15 aircraft in a Middle Eastern conflict
J-35s are an unknown factor and we shall see how they perform in the next arial BVR dogfight, if such an event ever happens, It is highly unlikely that J-35s will be able to take on F-35s ,
What IS likely to happen would be more mass Brahmos, Scalp, and Prithvi attacks, literally in the thousands. Pakistan has minimal missile defense capabilities, and there is no system in the world that can guarantee more than a 30% interception rate against Brahmos and Scalo missiles. The only option is deterrence threatening the aggressor with reciprocal damage and Pakistan is behind in this field too. Unless Pakistan acquires thousands of supersonic or hypersonic missiles, as potent as HIMARS or ISKANDERS, there is no deterrence for any aggressor to mount a far more devastating attack than what was delivered on May 9th-10th 2025

Saudis are aware of the shortcomings of Pakistan's missile defense, and also Pakistan's modest retaliation capability. They are unlikely to fund anything that contributes to Pakistan's own territorial defense (primarily against India) which is of least concern to them.

A lot of speculation, IAF got a massive bloody nose., Saudis noted this too I imagine too.

Retaliation against Israel would be fuindamental in any defence strategy

 

[Mobius]

He's got a good point.....

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[313Ghazi]

A summary of my thoughts;

• Don't get ahead of yourselves, the Saudi's have form for talking big and not acting
• This is a great opportunity for Pakistan, KSA and the wider region
• The Pakistani military will need to expand & adapt to be ready for it's new role
• The establishment should use this as an opportunity to fix our economy and build deeper ties with other Gulf countries

Expanded...

Caution: KSA had a much touted anti terrorism coalition that to this day hasn't seen action. Raheel Sharif was at the head of that. Lets hope this alliance doesn't go the same way.

Opportunity: This is a great opportunity for Pakistan and Saudi to build a genuine defence partnership. We can integrate our forces to work together like NATO nations do, we can expand the scope of it to other nations, we have access to each others equipment. Saudi should fund the expansion and upgrade of the Pakistani military. Pakistan should be looking to deploy personnel to KSA and also train the Saudi forces and raise their levels so they are competent and capable too. KSA can also provide fuel to Pakistan at time of conflict, which changes our paradigm with India and suddenly gives us a lot more stamina for a long conflict. The Saudi's also need to fund future development such as hypersonic missiles, missile defence and the huge volumes required to cover Pakistan and Saudi. International law doesn't allow us to sell such equipment, that doesn't mean we cant deploy it on foreign territory.

Other gulf Arab nations should be looking to take advantage of this opportunity too.

Challenges: Pakistan wants this role but it isn't prepared for it. We need more manpower, we need more equipment, we need to develop strategy and tactics that allow us to project power. We're currently setup to be a defensive wall, we need to be an offensive unit. That's different tactics, thats different equipment, we need a proper expeditionary force. We need integrating with Saudi forces and equipment. Our soldiers and commanders need to be able to communicate. How do you deploy F15's and J10's on the battlefield in the same way we did J10 and JF17? There is a lot of serious work to do.

Economy: I suspect this partnership will be transactional, but it should be more than that. For the long term security of the region AND the partnership, the economic stabilization and strengthening of Pakistan is key. An industrialised and economically strong Pakistan becomes a Pakistan which is self sufficient and not needing to be propped up. This reduces western influence and allows for greater autonomy, especially in foreign policy. Tech developed in the same Pakistan will be assets for all members of the alliance. Pakistan has a strong base for this sort of development, but it needs further privatization and it needs expanding. We should look at how Turkey and China improved their military industry alongside industrialisation of the rest of the country.

The establishment needs to play a role in ensuring foreign investment goes where intended and not into pockets.

We should also look to develop training programs to train Pakistani workers in accordance to Saudi standards and regulations. Electricians, plumbers, carpenters, tilers, whatever else - lets get our skilled workers trained to their regs, get them learning the language, give them some cultural training and then get them priority visas for when Saudi wants workers. Qatar and Iran have both learnt the lesson of hiring Indians, the Gulf Arabs should pay attention. The labour class should not be the focus, the focus should be skilled workers integrating into Gulf Arab economies, being treated with respect and helping build economic bonds through businesses and remittances.

Wider Region: The other petrol pump states should look at taking a similar deal. In no universe is a state like Qatar or Oman or Kuwait able to adequately defend themselves. These people should also focus on bringing stability and prosperity to Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, so that these nations can be assets to the Arab world, rather than risks. Right now your enemies control the skies over Iraq and Syria. They use that route to strike you. 20 years goes in a blink of an eye, but 20 years of sustained investment, would turn these countries around. Stop spending in Europe and the US, the trillions you lube Trump up with would literally change the fortunes of multiple countries in your region.

 

[Meengla]

Saudi Arabian oil has no shortage of buyers, not least India. You overestimate the importance of the Indian market.

Furthermore, given Saudi Arabia's influence in OPEC and Indians' reliance on the Middle Eastern labor market, India likely wouldn't dare to provoke Saudi Arabia.

Every India should carefully ponder your post! Indeed, India wouldn't 'dare' to provoke Saudi Arabia for the reasons you mentioned. Remember in the old PDF how Indians used to say that India's trade ties with China were too much for China to take Pakistan's side?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The wording could have been better. SA can hardly fight its own war so it cannot actively support Pakistan but in terms of resources. Anyway, we shouldn't test our SA pact by fighting India etc, anyway.

The wording can be just material support in defence, and no country would support aggression. Both Yemen and India wd be relieved.

1. Pak shouldn't. That is why taking Iran into confidence is important.
2. They will not fight. The threat was a proxy war like in Syria and Iraq, which could spill over to the Bahrin crisis, and could spill SA eastern regions where Shia were a majority. Otherwise, both countries will not fight.
3. SA mustn't and Pak mustn't provoke India. @nahtanbob is right about India being the 3rd largest SA oil consumer. We shouldn't put SA economic interests in jeopardy, or this pact will fail.
4. If we were united as Pakistanis, we could make that choice. We all know nobody is fighting Israel but the US too.

IMO the Pak policy towatd Bharat is like cutting the hands of the octopus one by one. Some examples:
- Go after Bharati proxy terrorists inside Afganistan while engaging the latter into CPEC via China
- Lure the USA with minerals, crypto, shale gas, connectivity to the CA etc.
- Put the KSA/GCC under a defense pact to deter Israil
- Deter Bharat with a conventional and strategic superiority
- Build a close tie with BD, SL, Maldives, Nepal etc.
- Etc.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Every India should carefully ponder your post! Indeed, India wouldn't 'dare' to provoke Saudi Arabia for the reasons you mentioned. Remember in the old PDF how Indians used to say that India's trade ties with China were too much for China to take Pakistan's side?

I kid you not, bubble is unreal!
Indian Logic (seen here!)

"no saar!

H1B visa restrictions?, no problem saar! India still wins!

because we can go to Middle East, India still wins saar!"

 

[HRK]

If Israel brings the war to Pakistan, it won't be through TTP and BLA, but B-2s bombing Pakistani nuclear installations.

India ....

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

If Israel brings the war to Pakistan, it won't be through TTP and BLA, but B-2s bombing Pakistani nuclear installations.

then idea of the entity and India would cease to exist!

MAD!