Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Mutakalim]

so a nothingburger of stuff that was already happening

Yes, words mean nothing.

 

[delta2]

I don't think that any nuclear test will deter israel. Arabs need strong airforce and army. They can't rely on united states anymore. Yes i want pak to deploy it's forces globally. I follow hitler model. attack the enemy before it attacks you. destroy supply lines. bomb them and hit civilians. today nobody cares whether civilians die during war or not. example is gaza, ukraine etc. violence is sometimes better. it solves problems.

Yes, but a nuclear test will remind them of the all so common mortality which they have forgotten about. Target killing and waging war on women and children for a long time makes the oppressor think he is immortal and cannot be defeated.

North Korea has an almost non-existent air force compared to the combined capability of the USA, SK and Japan but no one will even look at North Korea in the wrong way because they know NK retalliates over every little rock even so no point risking a nuclear exchange. Because everyone, specifically North Korea, knows that a nuclear exvhange will bring everyone to North Korea's level.

The KSA testing a nuke will be a history altering moment.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Ripple effect taking place in the middle east.

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[Maarkhoor]

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[The SC]

In this world nations under threat from the expansionist policy of Entity require somebody like "Guarantor of Sovereignty" Pakistan gave it to Iran (Indirectly) and now gave the same to Saudia Arab (openly).

Real question lies what will Pakistan Get from this deal. Saudia does not need our troops or weapons. as some of the posters say so.

they just require nuclear umbrella to guarantee sovereignty and basic command structure.

case in point - If India proceed to attack Pakistan in Oct-25 (which is big possibility) how can Saudia Arab provide their end of bargain - you think they will send F-15s/EF2000 to Pakistan) without US consent? are they independent? past tells us and our own experience this is not so.

so basically, we found the opportunity AND we exploited it - to get the much needed funds to strengthen ourselves military with providing coverage. military hardware purchase funding. 2ndly worst for India is Saudia has invested 45 Billion $ In India - lots of pressure will be on Saudia to stop India. MBS is the same guy who three months ago told us take the hit from India.

MBS has clout in india - lets see what Modi does. he has already issue a new threat just 24hrs ago then this happens.

Great move in chess by Pakistan - but only thing that it dawned on me that for the first time in our history we will be in direct eye contact with the entity.

May Allah help us! May be it's our destiny!

Saudi Arabia did send warships to Pakistan in 1971 and in another time of conflict with India it did send a squadron of Tornado fighter bombers ..Just keep this in mind..the defense pact was there for decades..now it is formalized as a strategic deterrent..

The issue is existential: either Israel exists and imposes its hegemony and dominates the Middle East, and you must surrender to that, or you must equal the balance and be a match to it..

in 1971
Saudi Arabia sent its air fighters
With orders to engage and defend the former capital of Pakistan
Karachi and shoot down any Indian plane directly entering the airspace
Pakistani and Saudi orders were issued to Saudi students
In Pakistan by joining the Pakistani army, and thus
Saudi Arabia preserved the state of Pakistan.

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[The SC]

India as a region is NOT synonymous with India the state. Just as you're confused about the zionists you're confused about the aim of revisionist state called India! Who seeks to establish a parallel rule on some bygone greatness.
This conflation is not lost on Pakistanis though and as for the trade it can only be pursued with an ensuing region that remains true to itself.
See, right here is a crucial issue for this agreement. Pakistan never recognized Israel, doesn't do trade or seeks to give it any meaning than what is apparent... yet it is not reciprocated on any level on either the Saudi or larger GCC. Which leaves a gaping hole on worldview and understanding. Will this agreement now by extension aim to impose Abraham Accords on Pakistan that is now a net security guarantor for the state?

Opened a can of worms right there...

Where did you get that from..or is it just you opinion?

 

[FuturePAF]

Saudi or GCC tankers have never been targeted by Houthis, only Israeli ships and ships of nations helping Israel.

it's the job of GCC to protect their assets and they have the forces to do that. Why would Pakistanis go and fight Houthis, who have never harmed Pakistan, for sake of few $$ ?

It’s not to fight the Houthis but to defend the oil tankers transiting the Red Sea.

But I agree, Pakistan should absolutely not be dragged into a misadventure in Yemen. From a moral point of view but also from the lessons of history with how Egypt then, but also the Saudi backed forces for the past 10 years have not been able to dislodge the Houthis.

It’s NOT our fight and the potential blowback in Pakistan along sectarian lines is too too great.

 

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[Eşbah]

I haven't gone through the last 56 pages, but the Arabs will exploit you, manipulate your religious sentiments, and delegate significant geopolitical risks to Islamabad, only to betray you when necessary.

Wake up, brothers. If the Saudis are sincere in their statements, they ought to arrange a 100 billion USD investment package for Pakistan immediately. It will change everything for you but for them it's peanuts.

 

[TallGuy]

Saudi Arabia did send warships to Pakistan in 1971 and in another time of conflict with India it did send a squadron of Tornado fighter bombers ..Just keep this in mind..the defense pact was there for decades..now it is formalized as a strategic deterrent..

Naval ships from Saudia in 1971 and Tornado Fighter bombers? i do know about 6 x Tornados that came for Indus viper. but to say that they were here to take action against India in case of conflict. is absolutely wrong.

 

[TallGuy]

I haven't gone through the last 56 pages, but the Arabs will exploit you, manipulate your religious sentiments, and delegate significant geopolitical risks to Islamabad, only to betray you when necessary.

Wake up, brothers. If the Saudis are sincere in their statements, they ought to arrange a 100 billion USD investment package for Pakistan immediately. It will change everything for you but for them it's peanuts.

its the history, Arabs have exploited poor with the bribe and wealth. any how everything is done with approval from China.

 

[TAC]

Will be a mixture of

"$4 Trillion economy, Saudis need us"
"Saudis need Indian workers"
"India will isolate Saudi Arabia"
"Agni can target Saudi Arabia"
"India will offer to defend Israel"
"India can sanction Saudi Arabia and boycott!"

Trust me, shit will get wild with them now....

I think that list is very accurate for reaction from Godi media but expect Force Magazine will give a far more sensible analysis.

 

[mythbuster]

Saudi Arabia did send warships to Pakistan in 1971 and in another time of conflict with India it did send a squadron of Tornado fighter bombers ..Just keep this in mind..the defense pact was there for decades..now it is formalized as a strategic deterrent..

The issue is existential: either Israel exists and imposes its hegemony and dominates the Middle East, and you must surrender to that, or you must equal the balance and be a match to it..

Saudi Arabia had no warships worth sending anywhere in 1971 ...

 

[TallGuy]

this is by design...

lisan al ghaib!

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Where did you get that from..or is it just you opinion?

So the highlighted part
"Pakistan never recognized Israel, doesn't do trade or seeks to give it any meaning than what is apparent... yet it is not reciprocated on any level on either the Saudi or larger GCC."

Pakistan's act is not reciprocated by Saudis or the GCC in its dealings with what is essentially Pakistan's arch enemy, India.
Which is why I quoted that post for the false allegory it purports.

@The SC

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