Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion
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Raja Porus
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Wasn't it the Alkhalid bde? 7,8,9 cavs?
mythbuster
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No disagreement on this.
Pradotlc
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How dare you say that!
The rulers of Pakistan love its people … only 500 children drowned in floods as per UNIEF … if that bloody Khan was there 1 million would have drowned…
Every thing they do is good for ordinary Pakistanis…
if you don’t like us leave Pakistan….. but don’t forget to send remittances
I*R*A
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Persia was conquered, conquered. Forefathers of people like @vsdoc fled and did not stay to fight honorably. You can keep dreaming but Persia and fire worshipping empire is never coming back. The biggest mistake grand dad of @vsdoc made was constructing a parallel religion, now that religion doesn't identify with Zoroastrianism, it won't drop its own new identity and adopt the old fire worshipping rituals. It borrowed from them and then grew to what it is today, Muslim disunity was the aim, partial success achieved but does @vsdoc have a country of his own, he will remain a refugee. Even the country of his refuge has been humiliated thoroughly. One day hindutva will come knocking at his door.
indians ko support karnay say phelay doob marna tha, jhanda tum Pakistan ka lagao aur bajan tum india kay gao.
Pradotlc
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I don’t think it will be that simple
One of the tenants of such mutal defense agreement is that each nation will not engage in hostile activity towards others.
Cash gk
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Interesting comments by Arnaud Bertrand, my sense is with Israel so hated in the world right now, many people and countries totally understand this move by Pak-Saudi
Pakistan gives Saudi Arabia a landmark Article 5 collective security guarantee
Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif sign an Article 5-like collective security agreement for mutual defence. / bne IntelliNews
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By Ben Aris in Berlin September 18, 2025
In what is likely to be a game-changing decision, Pakistan, a nuclear power, has given Saudi Arabia an Article 5-like collective security guarantee.
The mutual defence agreement signed this week between Riyadh and Islamabad provides for mutual military assistance: “any attack on either country is an attack on both”.
The unprecedented agreement represents a strategic turning point for the region with global consequences, according to political commentator and bne IntelliNews columnist Arnaud Bertrand.
“I don’t think I’m exaggerating by saying that this truly is the US’ Suez moment,” Bertrand argued. “Saudi Arabia was in many ways THE poster child of US client states. If they no longer trust American security guarantees, why should anyone else?”
The deal, which Saudi officials described to Al Jazeera as “a comprehensive defensive agreement that encompasses all military means,” provides Riyadh with access to Pakistan’s nuclear deterrent.
“We now officially have two nuclear-backed blocs in the Middle East: US–Israel vs Pakistan–Saudi,” Bertrand said, noting that Pakistan does not adhere to a no-first-use nuclear doctrine. “Saudi Arabia now has a protector willing to use nuclear weapons pre-emptively.”
The ramifications extend beyond defence. “Given that 81% of Pakistan’s weapon imports come from China, it also means that Saudi Arabia just indirectly aligned itself with the Chinese military-industrial complex,” Bertrand observed. He added that the agreement “effectively extends the China–Pakistan Economic Corridor to the Persian Gulf, protected by Pakistani nuclear weapons and Chinese military technology — creating a secure energy corridor from the Middle East to China that completely bypasses the Strait of Malacca.”
The timing of the announcement, days after Israel’s strike on Qatar, was “the ultimate proof of the worthlessness of US protection,” he argued. Bertrand predicted that other Gulf states and countries under US security umbrellas “are likely to explore comparable models in the next few months,” potentially leading to “a cascading collapse of the US global alliance system, leading to an entirely new international system where regional nuclear powers become security providers.”
The pact also reshapes regional dynamics. The world of emerging markets is being rapidly transformed as the world’s leading emerging markets abandon the West and are actively building up their own regional alliances that exclude the West.
The deal follows on from the May alliance of China, the countries of South-East Asia (ASEAN) and the Arab states (GCC) who met in Kuala Lumpur to forge what could become the world's largest trade block. Together, these countries have over 2bn people, 30% of the world's GDP and, crucially, about 55% of world GDP growth in PPP terms.
And the security pact comes on the heels of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in Tianjin, China, that unsettled Western observers by the bonhomie between Chinese President Xi Jinping and his guests of honour, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Other top level emerging market dignitaries were there including the heads of Iran, North Korea and Belarus as well as all the presidents of the five Central Asia republics.
Other EM institutions like the BRICS+, G20, ASEAN and Eurasian Economic Union (EUU) are all also rapidly developing and becoming increasingly important. On the flip side, the West, and the White House in particular, are losing their sway over the rest of the world at a similar pace, catalysed by the Trump administration aggressive tariff policies amongst other things.
“It’s hard to see how [the security deal] doesn’t permanently kill any chance of Israel–Saudi normalisation,” Bertrand said, pointing out that Pakistan does not recognise Israel. For India, meanwhile, the development is “an extremely tough spot: its archenemy just became the security guarantor for one of its primary energy suppliers.”
Economically, the deal undermines Washington’s counterweight to China’s Belt and Road. “This undoubtedly kills IMEC (India–Middle East–Europe Economic Corridor), the Biden administration’s flagship grand strategy,” Bertrand said. It also weakens the US-led financial order: “This is another nail in the coffin of the petrodollar system … Saudi Arabia is now much more flexible to price oil in whatever currency it wishes.”
“As a final word,” Bertrand concluded, “if anyone had any remaining doubt that we were now in a multipolar world, that debate is now settled permanently. American global dominance is no more.”
Pakistan gives Saudi Arabia a landmark Article 5 collective security guarantee
In what is likely to be a game-changing decision, Pakistan, a nuclear power, has given Saudi Arabia an Article 5-like collective security guarantee. ... ...www.intellinews.com
Whirling_dervesh
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Chalo…..at least whiskey sahib can beat the crap put of bhangees without the fear running out of fuels. Maybe this is the saudi side of mutual defence.
Oil on tap baby
Oil on tap baby
Whirling_dervesh
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What i dont understand is the need to make this public.
Why let your enemies put their guard up?
Why not build your collaborative defence apparatus up quietly and then go public?
Something doesn't add up
Why let your enemies put their guard up?
Why not build your collaborative defence apparatus up quietly and then go public?
Something doesn't add up
Falcon26
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None of that can be deployed to Pakistan due to end-user restrictions. No US made weapon from Saudi Arabia can be transferred to Pakistan.
Khorasan Black Flags
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Too bitter!!
Yasser76
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As we know, we were always in Israel's crosshairs, so this makes sense from that stand point, forget about India
Petrodollars and the ‘Islamic Bomb’: how a Saudi-Pakistan pact was forged
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Mehul Srivastava in London and Humza Jilani in IslamabadPublished2 HOURS AGOPrint this pageIn May 1998, weeks after India had tested a nuclear weapon not far from Pakistan’s border, the Pakistani premier Nawaz Sharif made a phone call to then Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz in Riyadh.Would Saudi Arabia stand by its Sunni brother if Sharif launched a counter-test — a flex of Pakistan’s military prowess that would undoubtedly draw massive western sanctions?The answer became obvious within days of Pakistan’s own subsequent atomic test. Some 50,000 barrels of Saudi oil a day, free of charge, helped it to weather the ensuing sanctions.This week, Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif — Nawaz’s younger brother — flew to Riyadh, but this time he and his powerful army chief, Asim Munir, were the ones bearing succour. Saudi Arabia, deeply dependent on US weapons and technology, would enter a defence pact with nuclear-armed Pakistan, just months after Islamabad had clashed with New Delhi.Their joint declaration came as the Middle East was being reshaped by an unrestrained Israel, a wounded Iran and an unpredictable US. As Israel struck Palestinian militants in Qatar, a key US ally, on September 9, President Donald Trump stood by. The attack in the heart of Doha shocked Gulf leaders.While the details of the pact remain vague, and Saudi officials maintained the timing was incidental, the implications were clear: if Israel and the US were reshuffling the Middle East order, Saudi Arabia was keen to shore up an older alliance with a nimble friend.“We shouldn’t read it as responsive to this precise moment, but it is a response to the broader tectonic shifts in the region,” said Joshua White, a fellow at the Washington-based think-tank Brookings who has worked in both India and Pakistan.“Both countries have significant incentives to be diversifying right now, because of the behaviour of the United States — it’s a moment where they both need to create options for themselves.”This specific mutual defence pact was a few years in the making, Saudi officials told the Financial Times. But the two countries’ military interests have been intertwined for decades.As far back as 1974 — close to the time of India’s first nuclear test and Israel’s victory in the 1973 war against its Arab neighbours — then-prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto had approached Saudi Arabia’s King Faisal seeking backing for Pakistan’s quest for its own bomb.Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistan’s nuclear bomb © Tanveer Mughal/AFPThe pursuit took decades of thievery, dogged nationalism and diplomatic guile.Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistan’s nuclear bomb, was responsible for smuggling advanced centrifuge technology in the 1980s and 1990s from the west to Pakistan, and then to Iran, Libya and others, according to his own confession and multiple investigations.But the long road to the nuclear club was also paved with Saudi petrodollars, said military historians.Since the 1960s, Pakistan has received more aid from Saudi Arabia than from any nation outside the Arab world, the Brookings Institution estimated. The funding — which was never directly for support of Islamabad’s covert nuclear programme — included direct aid to the government as well as financing for schools, mosques and other Islamist charitable programmes.As Pakistan languished under western sanctions in the 1990s, “Saudi Arabia provided generous financial support to Pakistan that enabled the nuclear programme to continue”, retired Pakistani Brigadier General Feroz Khan wrote in Eating Grass: The Making of the Pakistani Bomb. Following Pakistan’s 1998 nuclear test, much of the Muslim world hailed the arrival of the “Islamic bomb”. In a public show of gratitude for Saudi aid, Pakistan had already renamed a city after King Faisal. In private, the support created an expectation that the Sunni allies would share deeper military ties.Nawaz Sharif meets then-Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, right, in 1998 © SPA/AFPPakistani troops guarded Saudi Arabia’s northern border during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s, and its Inter-Services Intelligence became the conduit for Saudi and American cash that helped the Afghan mujahideen drive out the Russians.Today, experienced Pakistani military advisers help train the comparatively untested Saudi military, and a former Pakistani army chief commands a Saudi-led counterterrorism force based in Riyadh.Ever since Saudi Arabia’s then-defence minister toured Pakistan’s uranium enrichment plant in 1999, the Gulf kingdom has asked Pakistan “to share technical and scientific knowledge” for a nuclear programme, said Khan, a request Islamabad has mostly resisted.“There has never been a written quid pro quo” that Saudi economic support was intended to permit it to later rent a nuclear bomb, added Khan, now a professor at the Naval Postgraduate School in California.But, he said: “If there is a nuclear Iran and a completely unrestrained Israel, Pakistan is useful as Saudi gets ready for the long haul.”The entire time Pakistan was building its bomb, Israel was watching, said Uzi Arad, former research director at Israel’s spy agency Mossad. By the early 1980s Israel had put into play its policy of sabotaging, and then bombing, any belligerent Arab state seeking nuclear weapons. But Pakistan presented a complex challenge.“Pakistan wasn’t Arab, but it was Islamic — it wasn’t part of the Middle East, but the Americans treated it as such,” he said. More importantly, in the 1980s, it was a crucial US partner in Afghanistan, and its nuclear ambitions were deemed an American problem.Israel instead turned its attention to the Iraqi reactor, bombing it in 1981, and then to Iran.“Pakistan, we set aside for the future,” he said, adding that Israel did devote resources to tracking Islamabad’s sharing of nuclear secrets with Iran, Libya and others.At the same time, Pakistan’s relationship with its Gulf patrons has not always been a smooth one. Relations were strained in 2015 when Islamabad bowed to public pressure and declined to join Saudi-led air strikes over Yemen.As evidence of Pakistan’s elaborate constellation of diplomatic ties, a top Emirati diplomat publicly complained at the time that despite “inevitable” economic and financial support from Riyadh and Abu Dhabi, “Tehran seems to be more important to Islamabad . . . than the Gulf countries”. Yet Pakistan continues to depend on regular oil facilities, bailouts and rollovers from Saudi Arabia, China and the United Arab Emirates to stay afloat.Rabia Akhtar, director of the Center for Security, Strategy and Policy Research at the University of Lahore, said that, for Saudi Arabia, the latest agreement “shores up conventional security guarantees, access to Pakistani training and defence expertise, and the symbolism of a Muslim-majority nuclear power standing beside it”.But for Pakistan, which is more focused on India than the Middle East, the deal does entail risks, including to its relatively warm relations with the Trump administration.“The Americans and Israelis have always been paranoid that Pakistan’s nuclear and missile programmes might pose a threat to Israel, and this deal risks fuelling those fears,” said one former official who has knowledge of mediated dialogues between Pakistani and Israeli officials on Pakistan’s nuclear doctrine.Riyadh’s long-awaited defence pact with the US has been derailed by Israel’s war in Gaza, delaying any possible normalisation between the Jewish state and Saudi Arabia — a crucial element of the US-Saudi pact.But the deal will still draw Israel’s ire and US scrutiny, said Khan.“Pakistan will need to be very, very careful not to rattle its geopolitical sweet spot with China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the US,” he said. “If this draws India and Israel closer, brings further sanctions to [Pakistan’s] ballistic missile programme, and fuels India’s efforts to isolate Islamabad, it might end up as a strategic blunder.” India will study the implications of this development for its national security, its foreign ministry said.The country has built closer defence and diplomatic ties with Israel under Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s premiership, but “New Delhi wouldn’t be in a rush to formalise its defence relationship with Israel”, said Praveen Donthi, senior analyst for India with the Crisis Group. “New Delhi will take up the challenge and sharpen its multi-alignment approach to international relations.”RecommendedPakistanHow Pakistan wooed Trump — and rattled IndiaAt the same time, Saudi Arabia is betting that its own close ties to India will endure, said Ali Shihabi, a commentator close to the royal court whose father served as ambassador to Pakistan in the 1980s.“India will understand. They understand that the kingdom has security needs and are aware of the history between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan,” he said. “It is signalling to the US. It shows Saudi Arabia has options and the US is not the only game in town. It’s also sending a message to Israel.”But the public and ambiguous nature of this defence pact also signalled to Israel and the US that it did not carry the same proliferation risks as Pakistan’s nuclear “black market” in the past, said one Israeli official, leaving both countries room to react — or not — in the future.“The Pakistanis are not giving their bomb to Saudi Arabia,” the person said, citing discussions within the Israeli government. “But the Saudis are also saying something very loudly: ‘We have other friends in the world’.”Additional reporting by Andres Schipani in New Delhi, Ahmed Al-Omran in Riyadh and Andrew England in London
Petrodollars and the ‘Islamic Bomb’: how a Saudi-Pakistan pact was forged
Gulf nation backed Islamabad’s nuclear weapons programme, say experts. A new defence pact draws the Sunni allies closer
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Panzerkiel
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Originally yes... Was later reinforced to a full division during war time.
It is important to make it public to so that your enemy understands the consequences of any offensive against the nation.
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