Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

This is binding agreement.......

If you search or educate yourself you will also dance like headless chicken.


When two parties "sign" an agreement, it's "binding" effective that second. Kindly don't teach me what an agreement is, as you don't know my background.

An agreement in principle and it's detailed stipulations are two different things but the main rule doesn't change. In this case it is "an act of war on one nation will be considered war on both".

For example, a country's political parties agree "we will be a democratic nation, all governments will come through public vote". They all sign on it and it's binding from that second. This is called an "agreement in principle". The main rule is set, it's going to be a democracy!

Now, how will the elections take place, how many years after, assemblies, parliament, presidential system or PM? all this is either put in as stipulations in another detailed "public contract" called the constitution or decided in a charter separately. Same logic applies here. Creation of a new force, how, when, where, what weapons, what technology, what to manufacture vs. buy, will all be discussed and agreed upon in weeks to come in a stipulation based cooperation agreement.

It probably will never come to Public or on any media to maintain what is called as "Strategic Ambiguity".
 
It is important to make it public to so that your enemy understands the consequences of any offensive against the nation.

The ONLY thing for public consumption is the principle rule of the contract "An act of war against one will be considered an act of war on both".

I will be very surprised if they ever disclose further details of stipulations they will build to public. They will and should maintain "strategic ambiguity".

Yesterday, the British reporters asked that Prince who is the defense chief of Saudia about details of weapons involved. His response was "ALL kinds of military assets". This sentence has "strategic ambiguity" and a deterrence. Let your enemy guess work and stay within it's borders fearing the worst.
 
Persia was conquered, conquered. Forefathers of people like @vsdoc fled and did not stay to fight honorably. You can keep dreaming but Persia and fire worshipping empire is never coming back. The biggest mistake grand dad of @vsdoc made was constructing a parallel religion, now that religion doesn't identify with Zoroastrianism, it won't drop its own new identity and adopt the old fire worshipping rituals. It borrowed from them and then grew to what it is today, Muslim disunity was the aim, partial success achieved but does @vsdoc have a country of his own, he will remain a refugee. Even the country of his refuge has been humiliated thoroughly. One day hindutva will come knocking at his door.



indians ko support karnay say phelay doob marna tha, jhanda tum Pakistan ka lagao aur bajan tum india kay gao.
Oh bhai, the Parsi's alone got more financial/ economic/ manufacturing heft than all of yous converts combined no? Mr 'Egyptian' sahb get real no?

Iran is rapidly turning Zoroastrian culturally. What will happen then?

Stick with an identity and maybe it might save you no? Like the Irani's stuck with theirs. That's why they's still around as an entity, or they'd have no identity like the rest of yous.

@vsdoc @shapurzolaktaf
 
Oh bhai, the Parsi's alone got more financial/ economic/ manufacturing heft than all of yous converts combined no? Mr 'Egyptian' sahb get real no?

Iran is rapidly turning Zoroastrian culturally. What will happen then?

Stick with an identity and maybe it might save you no? Like the Irani's stuck with theirs. That's why they's still around as an entity, or they'd have no identity like the rest of yous.

@vsdoc @shapurzolaktaf
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Real strength always lies in keeping the poor unaware that their true power is in their numbers. In a democracy, ordinary people should be the ones writing the laws.


But the stranglehold of elite lawyers (themselves under the control of Zion. minds) ensures that only the rich have the power to shape legislation. Religious identities and political subversions are merely tools in this system..


nothing short of magick!
 
Oh bhai, the Parsi's alone got more financial/ economic/ manufacturing heft than all of yous converts combined no? Mr 'Egyptian' sahb get real no?

Iran is rapidly turning Zoroastrian culturally. What will happen then?

Stick with an identity and maybe it might save you no? Like the Irani's stuck with theirs. That's why they's still around as an entity, or they'd have no identity like the rest of yous.

@vsdoc @shapurzolaktaf

Mr. Egyptian?

You have no clue about the subject you are trying to champion. This is not only current day but centuries old.

Ask Doc to give you some lectures on background and context to this. Ask him if the iranians have stuck to their identity, the true identity. While you are at it ask him how hopeful he is to snatch it back from Mullahs and brainwash millions of Iranians again to undo centuries old scheme of their own.
 

Saudi pact puts Pakistan's nuclear umbrella into Middle East security picture​


By Saeed Shah and Maha El Dahan
September 19, 20259:54 AM GMT+1Updated 24 mins ago



Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif sign a defence agreement in Riyadh

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif embrace each other on the day they sign a defence agreement, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, September 17, 2025. Saudi Press Agency/Handout via REUTERS Purchase Licensing Rights, opens new tab
  • Summary
  • Pakistan is the only nuclear-armed Muslim-majority nation
  • Defence pact does not spell out if nuclear weapons are involved
  • Saudi Arabia bolstering security against Israel
  • Plummeting confidence in U.S. commitment to the region's security
ISLAMABAD/DUBAI Sept 19 - With many Arab nations feeling a rising threat from Israel, the Saudi-Pakistan defense pact announced this week brings Pakistan - and its nuclear umbrella - into the region's security equation.
The "Strategic Mutual Defense Agreement" signed between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia on Wednesday effectively marries Riyadh's money with Pakistan's giant nuclear-armed military, analysts said.
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Few details of the pact have been disclosed, and Pakistan's stated nuclear doctrine says that its weapons are solely aimed against long-term adversary India.
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But Riyadh is hinting that it will have a de facto nuclear shield under the agreement, while analysts say that Israel, widely understood to be the only nuclear state in the Middle East, will be watching closely.
Pakistani Defense Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif told Reuters that nuclear weapons were "not on the radar" of the pact. He said the agreement could be extended to cover other Gulf nations.
"We have no intention of using this pact for any aggression," said Asif. "But if the parties are threatened, then obviously this arrangement will become operative."
Riyadh may see the nuclear issue differently.
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Gulf Arab states said Israel, which has never confirmed or denied possessing nuclear weapons, had shown itself to be a direct threat following its unprecedented strikes on Qatar last week. Saudi Arabia has also said that if rival Iran acquired nuclear weapons, it would follow.
Asked whether Pakistan would now be obliged to provide Saudi Arabia with a nuclear umbrella, a senior Saudi official told Reuters: "This is a comprehensive defensive agreement that encompasses all military means."
Analysts said that the agreement also reflects shrinking confidence in the security provided by the United States to the region.
"From the Saudi perspective, it is intended to plug the strategic and conventional deterrence deficit vis-a-vis nuclear-armed Israel," said Hasan Alhasan, senior fellow for Middle East Policy at London's International Institute for Strategic Studies.

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A statement from Saudi Arabia said the pact "aims to develop aspects of defense cooperation between the two countries and strengthen joint deterrence". The Saudi government media office did not immediately respond to a request for comment on whether Pakistan's nuclear weapons were included in the agreement.
Foreign policy officials in Washington and Israel also did not immediately respond to requests for comment. The pact could also raise concerns in India and Iran.

PAKISTAN'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS​

Pakistan, the only nuclear-armed Muslim nation, is one of the poorer countries in Asia, but it has an army of more than 600,000 soldiers to defend against its much larger adversary, India, with which it has fought three major wars, along with numerous clashes, including a four-day conflict in May that was their heaviest fighting in decades.

Wednesday's announcement made no mention of nuclear weapons or any payment to Pakistan. "The agreement states that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both," Pakistan said.
Pakistan's Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif thanked the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, for "his keen interest in expanding Saudi investments, trade and business ties", in a statement on Thursday.

India and Pakistan went nuclear in the late 1990s, with Pakistan developing missiles that can hit deep into India. But if pointed the other direction, Pakistan's longest-range missiles could – in theory – strike Israel.
Adil Sultan, a former military officer who has worked at Pakistan's Strategic Plans Division, which oversees the nuclear arsenal, said its missiles could hit all of India's sprawling land mass.
"Israel was never comfortable with Pakistan's nuclear weapons," said Sultan, now dean of the Faculty of Aerospace and Strategic Studies at Islamabad's Air University. "But this capability is very modest and it is only for India."
Last year, a senior White House official said Pakistan was developing long-range ballistic missile capabilities that eventually could allow it to strike targets well beyond South Asia. Islamabad denied that.
Abdulaziz Sager, chairman of the Saudi-based Gulf Research Center, said it was too early to draw conclusions on any nuclear element.
"Events have underscored the limitations of relying solely on external protection, especially from the United States," Sager said.
U.S. President Donald Trump hoped to expand the Abraham Accords, establishing diplomatic ties between Israel and Arab states, to include Saudi Arabia during his second term. But Riyadh has made it clear it will not establish ties with Israel until the Gaza war has ceased and there is a path to Palestinian statehood.

PAKISTAN LEAPS INTO THE MIDDLE EAST​

Pakistan has long had a small military contingent in Saudi Arabia, but this week's agreement points to far greater involvement.
"For Pakistan, the power projection into the Middle East is huge, even though it has inserted itself into a volatile region," said Maleeha Lodhi, Pakistan's former ambassador to the United States.
Mushahid Hussain, a former chairman of the defence committee of Pakistan's Senate, said that Pakistan's outlook had been pan-Islamist since it was founded.
"Pakistan has the military capability and, in turn, what we get is economic strengthening," said Hussain. "Pakistan is the new strategic option for these Gulf nations."
Pakistan struggles to compete with an Indian defence budget that is at least seven times as big, meaning any new Saudi injection of funds could even the balance somewhat. Saudi Arabia has helped Islamabad financially for decades, most recently with a $3 billion loan.
India said on Thursday it would “study the implications of this development for our national security as well as for regional and global stability”.


 
Can you please qualify how it is Qibla Awal ?
Or is it something you have heard from molvis and taken up without research.

AS far as Quran is concerned, Mecca (Beccca) is where the first house of Lord has always been. Abraham didn't construct it, he raised it again after it's destruction.
So Mecca is Awal of Awalon.

Aqsa was constructed AFTER the prophet,
The dome of the rock is an Israeli piece, and it's been there since David's time.
SMH. My man missed a ton of ayahs in the Quran where the Prophet SAW was leading a prayer in the direction of Al Aqsa and was commanded to turn towards the Kabah mid salat.
 
We can't do anything other than maee mastani chowkidari no?

Technology hae aap k paas? nahi hae na? manufacturing hae? R&D hae?

Yous far lower than the Irani's in capability.

Everybody knows now. Irani aap say 50 saal aagay in capability.

Hard to believe you don't admit it.

Indians nay chaddi uttar dee sub k saamnay no?

I told you years ago but you got eembarrassed and ashamed.

Bhuggto ab aap!
Are you for real ? Irani ki puri army leadership 15 mins may uradi israel nay.. Puri airdefence aik raat may uradi ... aur yahan humay india ki puri airforce ground kerdi ( admited by their own CDS) .. agar kisi ki chaddi utari hai , woh india hai.. Even Indepedent analysts agree on that... But oversees "Pakistanis" like you who live as second class citizens for decades , self loathing and inferiority complex becomes like a instinct.
 

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