Pakistan UAVs News & Discussions

[farooqbhai]

I only know of one:

JARVIS (HK) CO., LIMITED

JARVIS (HK) CO., LIMITED was founded in 2010. With the support of the Chinese government's

www.jarvisint.com

but I was told this is only a "front" website and that this company makes munitions that have been exported to middle east and Ukraine. I think they are talking to several manufacturers.

Hmm has a Pakistani contact no. Uhm uhm.

 

[farooqbhai]

Yes, the “Dark Angle” picture is from NASTP.

Yep that's the NORINCO swarming one. While PAF also has the Bayraktar LMs.

 

[Bilal]

Yep that's the NORINCO swarming one. While PAF also has the Bayraktar LMs.

There is a third unidentified one too. Shown in videos flying in and blowing up a target.

 

[Jango]

I saw a video today on Twitter which showed the aftermath of an attack on an FC checkpost in Balochistan.

A comment under the video said that the attack carried on for a couple of hours, and the video itself is 15 minutes long too.

So my question is, WTF are these drones exactly doing?

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

I saw a video today on Twitter which showed the aftermath of an attack on an FC checkpost in Balochistan.

A comment under the video said that the attack carried on for a couple of hours, and the video itself is 15 minutes long too.

So my question is, WTF are these drones exactly doing?

Catching dust. Sometimes they are cleaned for a photo op.

 

[Jango]

Catching dust. Sometimes they are cleaned for a photo op.

Correction to the original post, it seems like the video in question was a random one.

But point still remains.

I am not in the mood to do the calculations, but it seems very much in reach to have 5/6 drones over known hotspot areas of Balochistan at all times.

Surely we can't be that drained of cash that we can't fuel up drones.

 

[farooqbhai]

Correction to the original post, it seems like the video in question was a random one.

But point still remains.

I am not in the mood to do the calculations, but it seems very much in reach to have 5/6 drones over known hotspot areas of Balochistan at all times.

Surely we can't be that drained of cash that we can't fuel up drones.

Catching dust. Sometimes they are cleaned for a photo op.

Pls dont be idiotic. Drones are being used to full extent.
Going back to the topic a couple of points,
1. It was not a FC post rather totally a FCSS (Private Security company guards) who had a mix of FC issued and non standard weapons.
2. There were more than a dozen private local security guards and didnt have the required training or experience to deal with a insurgency.
3. They came under Heavy RPG fire from the BLA group which led to 2 casualties amongst FCSS and so those FCSS didnt even bother to retaliate rather left the post and loads of weapons behind.
4. Keep in mind this happened very quickly and BLA seized this opportunity to film the video and size those guns from Private guards.
5. QRF arrived shortly after but BLA had fled by then.

Kalat is ~110km from Quetta, and UAVs arent phucin Supersonic, they take there time to reach there.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

Pls dont be idiotic. Drones are being used to full extent.
Going back to the topic a couple of points,
1. It was not a FC post rather totally a FCSS (Private Security company guards) who had a mix of FC issued and non standard weapons.
2. There were more than a dozen private local security guards and didnt have the required training or experience to deal with a insurgency.
3. They came under Heavy RPG fire from the BLA group which led to 2 casualties amongst FCSS and so those FCSS didnt even bother to retaliate rather left the post and loads of weapons behind.
4. Keep in mind this happened very quickly and BLA seized this opportunity to film the video and size those guns from Private guards.
5. QRF arrived shortly after but BLA had fled by then.

Kalat is ~110km from Quetta, and UAVs arent phucin Supersonic, they take there time to reach there.

Who is being idiotic by saying that covering 110 km in two hours is a big ask for a modern MALE drone like CH-4 which are supposed to be stationed in Balochistan.

If that's the case we need to re-evaluate our force posturing, no?. Like Having drones on standby on the tarmac atleast 24/7 if not on patrol. A more strategically useful, dedicated, and central drone base that can cover the effected districts instead of sending a drone from either corner of Balochistan. Improve the overall integrated command and control system of FC, police and other LEAa to such an extent that each time an outpost comes under fire, within minutes the data is transmitted to drone's GCS.
Attacks will reduce as soon as you start cutting theie combat force to size.

These things are not beyond our means, financially or technologically. This should have been done atleast around 3-5 years ago.

When we say drones aren't being used and catching dust, no one literally means that they are literally being kept in the museum. But that 99% of our engagements, offensive or defensive, with the militants, don't seem to involve drones, but our poorly armed infantry against their sometimes better equipped fighters.

 

[farooqbhai]

Who is being idiotic by saying that covering 110 km in two hours is a big ask for a modern MALE drone like CH-4 which are supposed to be stationed in Balochistan.

If that's the case we need to re-evaluate our force posturing, no?. Like Having drones on standby on the tarmac atleast 24/7 if not on patrol. A more strategically useful, dedicated, and central drone base that can cover the effected districts instead of sending a drone from either corner of Balochistan. Improve the overall integrated command and control system of FC, police and other LEAa to such an extent that each time an outpost comes under fire, within minutes the data is transmitted to drone's GCS.
Attacks will reduce as soon as you start cutting theie combat force to size.

These things are not beyond our means, financially or technologically. This should have been done atleast around 3-5 years ago.

When we say drones aren't being used and catching dust, no one literally means that they are literally being kept in the museum. But that 99% of our engagements, offensive or defensive, with the militants, don't seem to involve drones, but our poorly armed infantry against their sometimes better equipped fighters.

The PAA only has 4 CH4Bs or 2 GCS sets, I.e only 2 UAV is able to operated at same time. Of those 2 one is deployed to south region and other to north region.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

The PAA only has 4 CH4Bs or 2 GCS sets, I.e only 2 UAV is able to operated at same time. Of those 2 one is deployed to south region and other to north region.

Proving my point about force posturing and our overall lack of focus on drones in counter insurgency.

 

[Jango]

Pls dont be idiotic. Drones are being used to full extent.
Going back to the topic a couple of points,
1. It was not a FC post rather totally a FCSS (Private Security company guards) who had a mix of FC issued and non standard weapons.
2. There were more than a dozen private local security guards and didnt have the required training or experience to deal with a insurgency.
3. They came under Heavy RPG fire from the BLA group which led to 2 casualties amongst FCSS and so those FCSS didnt even bother to retaliate rather left the post and loads of weapons behind.
4. Keep in mind this happened very quickly and BLA seized this opportunity to film the video and size those guns from Private guards.
5. QRF arrived shortly after but BLA had fled by then.

Kalat is ~110km from Quetta, and UAVs arent phucin Supersonic, they take there time to reach there.

The post you quoted mentions that this video is not of an FC attack, and the point I am trying to make is a larger one.

Are we currently, or do we have plans for 24 hour zone surveillance some time in the future? If not, why not? What are the limitations?

 

[farooqbhai]

The post you quoted mentions that this video is not of an FC attack, and the point I am trying to make is a larger one.

Are we currently, or do we have plans for 24 hour zone surveillance some time in the future? If not, why not? What are the limitations?

24hr ISR surveillance is active in northern side. PAF possesses a very large amount of UAVs but until recently they have all been based in the north.
Though even some FC Wings have thermal fitted Quad copters available at Wing Level. While larger VTOLs are also there under PA.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

24hr ISR surveillance is active in northern side. PAF possesses a very large amount of UAVs but until recently they have all been based in the north.
Though even some FC Wings have thermal fitted Quad copters available at Wing Level. While larger VTOLs are also there under PA.

To clarify. By northern side, do You mean north Balochistan or KP? Because just this eid, BLA was operating in broad daylight in force just north of Quetta. Setting check post, kidnapping people, raising flags etc.

 

[farooqbhai]

To clarify. By northern side, do You mean north Balochistan or KP? Because just this eid, BLA was operating in broad daylight in force just north of Quetta. Setting check post, kidnapping people, raising flags etc.

They literally film a video for a couple of minutes and then run away. Secondly that video was rather interesting, the people being filmed some of those were laughing so obv local support is there for them without which it cannot happen.
And how do you intend to use a UAV to see people setting up a checkpoint in the vastness of Balochistan when no one even reports it.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

They literally film a video for a couple of minutes and then run away. Secondly that video was rather interesting, the people being filmed some of those were laughing so obv local support is there for them without which it cannot happen.
And how do you intend to use a UAV to see people setting up a checkpoint in the vastness of Balochistan when no one even reports it.

There is a inter services organization that we have, it is supposed to have intelligence on such movements. Unless their energy is being spent elsewhere.

Apart from its usual ISR role, The entire point of a drone program to target militants is to act as QRF and to greatly replace intelligence borne operations, especially outside populated areas.

The entire fleet is almost useless without intelligence agencies doing their job. Let's not forget, the American drone program was primarily a CIA drone program