Pakistani genetics and how it maps onto the wider region (A follow-up to the post about the Indic race)

[Neojinnah]

This thread is a response to the unjustified indignation at the idea that Pakistanis cluster with Indian populations, which lead some to claim I am a false-flagging Indian for merely restating what should be a commonly accepted fact.

Genetic research consistently shows that Pakistani populations, especially Punjabis, Sindhis, and Pashtuns, fall along a genetic gradient known as the Northwest Indic cline. This means they share a significant amount of ancestry with northern Indian groups and sit along a continuum that extends from Iran and Central Asia into South Asia. The root of this shared ancestry are the Indo-Aryan migration around 1500 BCE, which established a common ancestral pool across the region. For example, Punjabi Muslims in Pakistan are genetically very similar to Punjabi Sikhs and Hindus in India, who in turn, are very similar to ethnicities in Kashmir, Rajasthan, Haryana, UP, etc.

The reality is that though Pakistanis want to disassociate from the AASI-maxxed Gangetic Hindu, we are just steppe and zagros-shifted NW Indics who fundamentally share the same base ancestral heritage. The implications of this, which Pakistanis constantly try to hide from, is that the conflict between Islamic Pakistan and Hindu Bharat is not a war between Islam and Hinduism, but an Indic civil war where Muslim Indics are locked in a life-or-death struggle against the extremist Hindu Indic racial cult. This truth is difficult to acknowledge because so far, Muslim Indics have been losing this war. Muslim Indic power was completely smashed in their strongholds - Delhi and the Deccan. The Muslims who now reside in those lands have been systematically depoliticized and slowly dispossessed of their lands and property. The remnants of the Muslim Indic elite were pushed to the fringes of South Asia - Pakistan and Bangladesh, where they were able to build states which have so far completely failed to strengthen the position of Muslims Indics in the subcontinent. No matter how Pakistani nationalists try to cope with this loss with constructed narratives, the truth is in our genetics and heritage.

 

[peacemaker99]

This thread is a response to the unjustified indignation at the idea that Pakistanis cluster with Indian populations, which lead some to claim I am a false-flagging Indian for merely restating what should be a commonly accepted fact.

Genetic research consistently shows that Pakistani populations, especially Punjabis, Sindhis, and Pashtuns, fall along a genetic gradient known as the Northwest Indic cline. This means they share a significant amount of ancestry with northern Indian groups and sit along a continuum that extends from Iran and Central Asia into South Asia. The root of this shared ancestry are the Indo-Aryan migration around 1500 BCE, which established a common ancestral pool across the region. For example, Punjabi Muslims in Pakistan are genetically very similar to Punjabi Sikhs and Hindus in India, who in turn, are very similar to ethnicities in Kashmir, Rajasthan, Haryana, UP, etc.

The reality is that though Pakistanis want to disassociate from the AASI-maxxed Gangetic Hindu, we are just steppe-shifted NW Indics who fundamentally share the same base ancestral heritage. The implications of this, which Pakistanis constantly try to hide from, is that the conflict between Islamic Pakistan and Hindu Bharat is not a war between Islam and Hinduism, but an Indic civil war where Muslim Indics are locked in a life-or-death struggle against the extremist Hindu Indic racial cult. This truth is difficult to acknowledge because so far, Muslim Indics have been losing this war. Muslim Indic power was completely smashed in their strongholds - Delhi and the Deccan. The Muslims who now reside in those lands have been systematically depoliticized and slowly dispossessed of their lands and property. The remnants of the Muslim Indic elite were pushed to the fringes of South Asia - Pakistan and Bangladesh, where they were able to build states which have so far completely failed to strengthen the position of Muslims Indics in the subcontinent. No matter how Pakistani nationalists try to cope with this loss with constructed narratives, the truth is in our genetics and heritage.

'Land and property'. Its like listening to an 18th century man in the 21st centuty.

 

[Neojinnah]

'Land and property'. Its like listening to an 18th century man in the 21st centuty.

It sounds like an 18th century thing but that is juat what happens in India. Hindu-converteds and Hindu Indics rape, riot, and pillage as a tactic to punish minorities, take their land, and ethnically cleanse them/push them to ghettos.This model has been applied to Muslims in East Punjab, Jammu, Kashmir, and Hyderabad, among others. There is an entire population of Sikh exiles in the Western world because Hindu Indics collectively attacked the Sikh community as a whole in reponse to Indira's assassination. It is being applied to Kuki Christians in Manipur as we speak. One of the rallying cries of the ruling Hindu radical party is the presence of infiltrators and illegals in the country which is an obvious pretence to justify targeting Bengali Muslims.

 

[r3alist]

where they were able to build states which have so far completely failed to strengthen the position of Muslims Indics in the subcontinent. No matter how Pakistani nationalists try to cope with this loss with constructed narratives, the truth

Rakz, It's not a loss but a tremendous asset because now the nation state container has allowed distinct Muslim polities outside of hindu mainland

Ask yourself who needs who for their civilizational and cultural sense of self? The Indians are reminded of civilizational loss with Pakistan, they need to be closer to have influence else they are at a wits ends of looking at the dalits and themselves.

Pakistan has other Muslim nations to connect with culturally and religiously and therefore spiritually, as well as ideas .

The separation is a spiritual and metaphysical divergence that Indians cannot comprehend, it's diabolical to suggest to India all pray together under one roof, for example, that's Indian spiritual rot and they hate the transcendence of Pakistan,that's the victory that keeps giving

In any care a famous Indian minister quipped that India would create a Pakistan if Pakistan did not exist.

End of thread

 

[Neojinnah]

Rakz, It's not a loss but a tremendous asset because now the nation state container has allowed distinct Muslim polities outside of hindu mainland

Tremendous asset in what way? I can think of a massive loss just from your post alone - the way you describe the landmass of India - 3 million square kilometres, the 7th largest country in the world - as a "Hindu mainland". Caste Hindus - upper caste Hindus to be precise, the only actual Hindus, a tiny minority in South Asia, have been able to impose their identity and ideology on an entire land. Land which was once a centre of Muslim Indic culture, thought, cuisine, and art, which Muslim Indics fought and died for over centuries, all ceded to the most totalitarian ideology in South Asia.

A massive powerful Juche/Nazi style fascist racial death cult is now sitting at the doorstep of the remaining sovereign Muslim Indic states and somehow you don't see this as a failure and loss for not only Muslim Indics, but Indics and South Asians as a whole.

Pakistan has other Muslim nations to connect with culturally and religiously and therefore spiritually, as well as ideas .

How has this worked out practically? The descendants of the Muslim Indic elite are all basically in the process of settling in Western Europe, US, Canada, etc. The Muslim Indic working classes are forced to find work in the Gulf or illegally immigrate and escape as asylum seekers/refugees. No one actually wants to stay in Pakistan, but other Muslim countries are in similar states of war and destruction, so the natural choice becomes fleeing to the Gulf or the West.

The Indic Civil War has been a disaster to Muslim Indics particularly. There is no force able to challenge the genocide of Rohingya Muslims, despite Arakan being in the backyard of two large, supposedly powerful Muslim states in the region

 

[r3alist]

I'm amazed how you don't see this as a failure and loss for not only Muslim Indics, but Indics and South Asians as a whole

Poopjeets are an Indian issue, that's a literal win because when poop is part of your national cultural life you better get away quickly, so you have no argument here

If you intermingle with that it seeps into the brain

How has this worked out practically? The descendants of the Muslim Indic elite are all basically in the process of settling in Western Europe, US, Canada, etc. The Muslim Indic working classes are forced to find work in the Gulf or illegally immigrate and escape as asylum seekers/refugees. No one actually wants to stay in Pakistan.

Muslim resilience is time tested, there is a connecting tissue of spiritual bonds that people seek to corrupt yet they still sustain


Pakistan represents the balance to Hindu civilization in the Eurasian mainland and does so being much smaller, thus by being different, spiritually, because the spiritual life defines a nation

And India without Muslim gulf money collapses, tell me who needs to stay close to Muslims