Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Helicopters bought from Italy and Europe so does some Air Defense systems. Things will keep coming and you will keep questioning where the money will come from. You will never learn that I am sure about.

And how many helicopters came to Pakistan? And how many SAMs came from Europe to Pakistan? You're delusional man and lives in utopia and fairy tales

 

[Boss]

And how many helicopters came to Pakistan? And how many SAMs came from Europe to Pakistan? You're delusional man and lives in utopia and fairy tales

Augusta Westland 139 & SPADA SAM, Please do some research before opening your mouth.

 

[Falcon26]

Augusta Westland 139 & SPADA SAM, Please do some research before opening your mouth.

Plus CAMM-ER air defense systems.

 

[RajaBaja]

not just about Link 17

PAF adopted a unique strategy to get the jump on the French built Rafales who had the SPECTRA self defence system which is probably one of the most advanced systems in the World , Pakistan found a bypass

Chinese Military satellites picked up up the Indian Air Force movements , Erieye AWACS were sent airborne and they detected the Indian jets

information was relayed to J10CE via Link 17 which launched the PL-15 air to air missiles

point of note here, neither the J10CE ASEA radar nor the PL15s own seeker got any lock on the Rafales so the Rafale did not know they were being hunted down

the missile was fired and when it comes to around 5-10 seconds before impact the Pl-15 seeker is activated and to gives no time for the Rafale pilots to react even the SPECTRA couldn't see it even while being spoofing by DA-30 Falcons

this strategy required Erieye AWACS guiding J10CE + PL-15 missiles until J10CE and Pl-15 were in close proximity

not only did it work they downed 3-4 x Rafales

this whole thing requires integrated battle management system

it requires surveillance and radar jamming

PL-15 like the Meteor and AMRAAM-C8/D's, goes active before its NEZ / No Escape Zone. While through a data link, the internal AESA was tracking Rafale's movements passively. It's not 5 seconds before. It's usually a bit more.

There is a functional tactic and my term for it is "Electronic Chaos". That means, you hit an aircraft on it's precise sets of frequency very hard. At the time of this battle, each Rafale was getting insane amount of broad spectrum energy bursts in different ranges, including jamming for GPS, Spectra, Radar and other avionics. The signals were bombarding the plane. In that massive frequency hoping, there was a frequency for PL-15 also as PL-15 has an AESA of its own. But the "electronic chaos" was so powerful, it couldn't precisely identify PL-15 as a hostile object. That's why the Rafale had no idea on what hit it.

Spectra is a heavy duty system. For it to not function, imagine how massive the scale of this electronic chaos was.

 

[sutton9999]

not just about Link 17

PAF adopted a unique strategy to get the jump on the French built Rafales who had the SPECTRA self defence system which is probably one of the most advanced systems in the World , Pakistan found a bypass

Chinese Military satellites picked up up the Indian Air Force movements , Erieye AWACS were sent airborne and they detected the Indian jets

information was relayed to J10CE via Link 17 which launched the PL-15 air to air missiles

point of note here, neither the J10CE ASEA radar nor the PL15s own seeker got any lock on the Rafales so the Rafale did not know they were being hunted down

the missile was fired and when it comes to around 5-10 seconds before impact the Pl-15 seeker is activated and to gives no time for the Rafale pilots to react even the SPECTRA couldn't see it even while being spoofing by DA-30 Falcons

this strategy required Erieye AWACS guiding J10CE + PL-15 missiles until J10CE and Pl-15 were in close proximity

not only did it work they downed 3-4 x Rafales

this whole thing requires integrated battle management system

it requires surveillance and radar jamming

Neither ZDK nor Erieye can be used to guide AA missiles. S band and UHF band are not accurate enough to do that. Even Saab isn't aware they have this feature.

It's just media talking heads and v-bloggers are spreading this, people think that makes total sense.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Augusta Westland 139 & SPADA SAM, Please do some research before opening your mouth.

Just 4 for VIPs and SPADA SAMs were bought long ago (pre- 2015) when our economy wasn't in a dire situation compare to present critical time, go research on the previous purchases of Pakistan kid then talk lol

 

[Zarvan]

And how many helicopters came to Pakistan? And how many SAMs came from Europe to Pakistan? You're delusional man and lives in utopia and fairy tales

I forgot out AWACS all are from France and many other equipment bought from Europe

 

[Aziqbal]

Neither ZDK nor Erieye can be used to guide AA missiles. S band and UHF band are not accurate enough to do that. Even Saab isn't aware they have this feature.

It's just media talking heads and v-bloggers are spreading this, people think that makes total sense.

No I did not say the AWACS was directly updating the PL-15 rather AWACS provides the situation awareness required to launch when resolution required is not a issue

Also S band and UHF would be communicating via data link

UHF / S band low resolution is not a issue when the missile is in terminal phase using its own seeker rather

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

I forgot out AWACS all are from France and many other equipment bought from Europe

What AWACS from France lol? All our AWACS are from Sweden? We just recently inducted only one erieye ER from Sweden. And what OTHER equipment brought from Europe? Only INDRA EW suites for JF-17 block 1/2 and Turkish targeting pods also for JF-17

 

[Ak01]

Just 4 for VIPs and SPADA SAMs were bought long ago (pre- 2015) when our economy wasn't in a dire situation compare to present critical time, go research on the previous purchases of Pakistan kid then talk lol

PN purchased tons of CAMM-ER
Pak purchased a ton of Hensholdt TRML series radars
Pak also procured all if not most of the sensors for the Agosta MLU from Germany
AW139's were not small qty's. The fleet is in excess of 20?

 

[Yasser76]

PN purchased tons of CAMM-ER
Pak purchased a ton of Hensholdt TRML series radars
Pak also procured all if not most of the sensors for the Agosta MLU from Germany
AW139's were not small qty's. The fleet is in excess of 20?

Indra EW from Spain
Anti-Tank weapons from Spain
Used Mine counter ships from Netherlands
Used C-130s from Belgium
Yarmook ships from Netherlands
Almost entire avionics for Sea Sultan/ATR from Italy

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

PN purchased tons of CAMM-ER
Pak purchased a ton of Hensholdt TRML series radars
Pak also procured all if not most of the sensors for the Agosta MLU from Germany
AW139's were not small qty's. The fleet is in excess of 20?

Radars are only big ticket item. Sensors for Augusta are not considered big item, where you get the information that we excess fleet AW139 more than 20 helicopters? Did we order more of them in recent years? All major respected defense websites are saying we have only 4 of them

 

[ARMalik]

Leonardo: Pakistan chooses again the AW139 for its transport and EMS requirements

Leonardo-Finmeccanica announced today that the Government of Pakistan has signed a contract for an undisclosed number of AW139 intermediate twin engine helicopters to be used for transport and EMS missions.

www.leonardo.com

Leonardo-Finmeccanica announced today that the Government of Pakistan has signed a contract for an undisclosed number of AW139 intermediate twin engine helicopters to be used for transport and EMS missions.
Rome 04 August 2016 15:00

 

[Yasser76]

Radars are only big ticket item. Sensors for Augusta are not considered big item, where you get the information that we excess fleet AW139 more than 20 helicopters? Did we order more of them in recent years? All major respected defense websites are saying we have only 4 of them

Arslan is correct

Scramble mil database show Pak Armef forces as having 30+ AW139s...

Military Database

scramble.nl

 

[Ak01]

Radars are only big ticket item. Sensors for Augusta are not considered big item, where you get the information that we excess fleet AW139 more than 20 helicopters? Did we order more of them in recent years? All major respected defense websites are saying we have only 4 of them

hey were bought in 3 tranches
4+x+x

Id also say CAMM-ER is a big ticket item, considering its Europe's premier sr/mrad.