Pakistan’s plan to buy Chinese FC-31 stealth fighter jets: Global Times

[mdmm55]

Pakistan’s plan to buy Chinese FC-31 stealth fighter jets ‘win-win cooperation
Chinese media ,Global Times, SCMN and Indian media has confirmed that Pakistan has completed negotiation for buying FC-31 / J-31 from China . Soon number of J-31 will be announced . Pakistan got twenty of J-10 CE from China one year ago and did not try to get more as previously said that Pakistan will get 35 of J-10CE . This mean PAF has , probable diverted its plan and will manage remaining J-10CE money in paying for FC-31 jet fighters, .
So far current Pakistani ruler ( Establishment gang) has refused to give any big money to Zar-Shar (Zardari,Sharif) employees. So money will not be any issue to pay for FC-31/J-31 .
globaltimes.cn/page/202401/1305570.shtml

 

[Khanasifm]

there is no money a number of employees of civilian deparments has not been paid for last few months not sure where these toys are coming , Chinese loans that it
Expect g IMF bailout of about 6Billiom while per year previously loans return of principal plus interest eq to ~ 20 B per year for a number of year, looks like folks living in lala land
Buying toys to keep military live in their bubbles perhaps

 

[Mrc]

Only person that's not been paid is in Adiala jail.
Pta nahi kahan say aa jatay hain

 

[Fatman17]

Shandong. The latest images (March 2024) suggested that the J-35 3505 prototype has been conducting test flights with an arresting hook mounted between the two engines. The hook appears to be encased inside a stealth optimized “sheath” to reduce RCS. The development of J-35 is expected to be moved into the next phase as it prepares for launch tests from a land-based EMALS.
- Last Updated 3/9/24

 

[Ali_Baba]

It will be interesting to know ( though we will never know ) how well the airframe holds up to the shock of both an EMALS launch, and arrested deck recovery. How many airframe hours, takeoffs and landings will the J-35 be rated for ?

Chinese aviation airframes are not known for their durability, with the JF17 only being able to get to 4,000hrs before it runs out of airframe hours. We of course dont know the airframe hours for the J10CE, J20, J15/16 etc so maybe they have gotten better in this regard. Also, just look at and compare the hornets landing gear and compare to the above pictures - does seem like the Hornet is designed to take more of a battering ?

I guess we can see if there are any external changes in subsequent prototypes and what that means interms of feedback from testing back into their designs.

 

[uucc001]

It will be interesting to know ( though we will never know ) how well the airframe holds up to the shock of both an EMALS launch, and arrested deck recovery. How many airframe hours, takeoffs and landings will the J-35 be rated for ?

Chinese aviation airframes are not known for their durability, with the JF17 only being able to get to 4,000hrs before it runs out of airframe hours. We of course dont know the airframe hours for the J10CE, J20, J15/16 etc so maybe they have gotten better in this regard. Also, just look at and compare the hornets landing gear and compare to the above pictures - does seem like the Hornet is designed to take more of a battering ?

I guess we can see if there are any external changes in subsequent prototypes and what that means interms of feedback from testing back into their designs.

Normal annual flight training time is 200 hours. 4000 hours is 20 years of life. This period is enough for the next generation of fighter jets to be put into service.

 

[PakAl]

Normal annual flight training time is 200 hours. 4000 hours is 20 years of life. This period is enough for the next generation of fighter jets to be put into service.

4000 is weak, it should be atleast 7000 to 8000 hours.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Normal annual flight training time is 200 hours. 4000 hours is 20 years of life. This period is enough for the next generation of fighter jets to be put into service.

An Block 70 F16 can go to 12,000 hrs ... this is why people need to be careful which comparing Chinese jets to western jets esp when people say chinese jets are cheaper.. they are not. An JF17C will cost $40 million, and that gives you 4,000 hrs, a F16 Block 70 is $65 million. So, the JF17C costs more per flying hour for the procurement cost alone.. ie an F16 is $5,416 per hour excluding operating/maintenance costs. The JF17C is $10,000 .....

Service life of Block 70 F16 is 12,000hrs : https://www.lockheedmartin.com/cont...ments/F-16/ClearedF16Block7072ProductCard.pdf

A Block 50 can undergo SLEP and go to 13,800 hrs (though there is a cost to perform the upgrade).

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[MapleKing]

there is no money a number of employees of civilian deparments has not been paid for last few months not sure where these toys are coming , Chinese loans that it
Expect g IMF bailout of about 6Billiom while per year previously loans return of principal plus interest eq to ~ 20 B per year for a number of year, looks like folks living in lala land
Buying toys to keep military live in their bubbles perhaps

Aliens don't depend on the official budget. Most of Pakistan's economoy isn't even documented.

 

[uucc001]

An Block 70 F16 can go to 12,000 hrs ... this is why people need to be careful which comparing Chinese jets to western jets esp when people say chinese jets are cheaper.. they are not. An JF17C will cost $40 million, and that gives you 4,000 hrs, a F16 Block 70 is $65 million. So, the JF17C costs more per flying hour for the procurement cost alone.. ie an F16 is $5,416 per hour excluding operating/maintenance costs. The JF17C is $10,000 .....

Service life of Block 70 F16 is 12,000hrs : https://www.lockheedmartin.com/cont...ments/F-16/ClearedF16Block7072ProductCard.pdf

A Block 50 can undergo SLEP and go to 13,800 hrs (though there is a cost to perform the upgrade).

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Explore the top 10 list featuring high-tech aircraft with the highest price tags in today's aviation market. Discover the most expensive fighter jets of 2024.

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Does F86 make sense now? Fighters are weapons, and the fighter jets from 20 years ago are living targets. If both F16 and JF17 are calculated based on 20 years, the cost of F16 is much higher than that of JF17. Don’t forget that fighter jets are also machines. Machines have two lifespans, one of which is called functional life.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Does F86 make sense now? Fighters are weapons, and the fighter jets from 20 years ago are living targets. If both F16 and JF17 are calculated based on 20 years, the cost of F16 is much higher than that of JF17. Don’t forget that fighter jets are also machines. Machines have two lifespans, one of which is called functional life.

Fighters were normally purchased for 30 years of life, and now the expectation is even longer. Your arguments make no logical sense. Chinese platforms are overpriced relative to their service life expectancy and airframe flying hours that they can generate as of now.

 

[uucc001]

Fighters were normally purchased for 30 years of life, and now the expectation is even longer. Your arguments make no logical sense. Chinese platforms are overpriced relative to their service life expectancy and airframe flying hours that they can generate as of now.

Twenty years is enough to create a generational difference. Airplanes from twenty years ago can only be living targets. Weapons are not tools of production, functional longevity is the most important thing. Reasonable price and reasonable life span are the most important. According to your theory, human wars should be fought with swords, which are the lowest cost. So your point is wrong.

 

[uucc001]

Fighters were normally purchased for 30 years of life, and now the expectation is even longer. Your arguments make no logical sense. Chinese platforms are overpriced relative to their service life expectancy and airframe flying hours that they can generate as of now.

Only after the Cold War did the upgrading of military equipment slow down. In the past, weapons were basically updated to a new generation every twenty years.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Only after the Cold War did the upgrading of military equipment slow down. In the past, weapons were basically updated to a new generation every twenty years.

So - China is stuck in the past on their approach when developing new systems?

 

[uucc001]

So - China is stuck in the past on their approach when developing new systems?

The first flight of the J10 was in 1997, and the first flight of the J20 was in 2011. It is expected that you will see the next generation of fighter jets in 2025-2030. J10 is a living target in front of J20. The J20's survivability against next-generation aircraft will also be very poor. In the face of this replacement speed, a service life of 20 years is sufficient and economically appropriate.