‘Pakistan’s poverty rate higher than India, B’desh’

[ustaad]

 

[ustaad]

@4:40 look at this tiny dirty ass home in 30k rent (equivalent to 90k PKR). In Karachi you can get 3-4 room decent apartment in new construction with that price range.

 

[El Sidd]

Brother, are you living in a dream? Pakistan imports 90% of its oil and natural gas. Whether it’s fighter jets or tanks, without oil every machine is scrap metal. Are you a Gandhian? Food self-sufficiency? Without oil to power water pumps and produce fertilizer and pesticides, where is the food supposed to come from? Wake up. Most of Pakistan’s mineral deposits are in remote mountains with poor transportation and insurgencies—their extraction value can’t even cover the cost. That’s the reality. In classical times, Punjab’s grain meant prosperity; in the modern era, it means poverty. Are you going to sell grain to buy oil and natural gas?

Isn't Pakistan employing food and security for oil and gas program currently?

All your highlighted problems stem from lack of faith and unity/discipline to pull it off.

There's no excuse for economic condition the country find itself. It's a botched urbanisation attempt which cannot be reversed.

 

[BHAN85]

Brother, are you living in a dream? Pakistan imports 90% of its oil and natural gas. Whether it’s fighter jets or tanks, without oil every machine is scrap metal. Are you a Gandhian? Food self-sufficiency? Without oil to power water pumps and produce fertilizer and pesticides, where is the food supposed to come from? Wake up. Most of Pakistan’s mineral deposits are in remote mountains with poor transportation and insurgencies—their extraction value can’t even cover the cost. That’s the reality. In classical times, Punjab’s grain meant prosperity; in the modern era, it means poverty. Are you going to sell grain to buy oil and natural gas?

Similar percentage than China. So China should be imitate in some way.

 

[samsite84]

@4:40 look at this tiny dirty ass home in 30k rent (equivalent to 90k PKR). In Karachi you can get 3-4 room decent apartment in new construction with that price range.

Again with the youtube videos. Mumbai has as expensive a real estate as anywhere in the world - think NYC, Hong Kong etc. - that doesn't mean that people in Mumbai have same living standards as NYC.

Similarly, because the real estate is expensive doesn't mean that people in Mumbai are "less" rich/well-of vs. Karachi or other similar cities. This kind of stupid comparisons aside, look at the real poverty number across the vast population of respective countries. Or you can live in la la land where Pakistan doesn't have any poverty

 

[El Sidd]

Again with the youtube videos. Mumbai has as expensive a real estate as anywhere in the world - think NYC, Hong Kong etc. - that doesn't mean that people in Mumbai have same living standards as NYC.

Similarly, because the real estate is expensive doesn't mean that people in Mumbai are "less" rich/well-of vs. Karachi or other similar cities. This kind of stupid comparisons aside, look at the real poverty number across the vast population of respective countries. Or you can live in la la land where Pakistan doesn't have any poverty

Bombay doesn't have a water problem and enjoys significant development.

 

[samsite84]

Bombay doesn't have a water problem and enjoys significant development.

Bingo, you look at metro, the options of entertainment, food etc., the airport connectivity, the quality of schools and what not - top notch. I know this because most of my counterparts who've moved from US to India have chosen Mumbai as their next home and they could've lived anywhere yet they chose an "expensive" place.

Rents are a scam - 3LPA in South Mumbai for a 3-4 BHK is not uncommon but many folks here will be surprised that a "large (by numbers)" cream earns INR 3-5CR/annum where both members are earning...

 

[BananaRepublic]

WASHINGTON: More than one-third of Pakistan’s population faces overlapping deprivations in health, education and living standards, according to the United Nations Development Programme’s (UNDP) Multidimensional Poverty Index (MPI) released on Monday.


Figures released by the UNDP in New York show that 38.3 per cent of Pakistan’s population was multidimensionally poor, compared with 16.4 per cent in India and 14.9pc in Bangladesh. The estimates are based on household surveys conducted in different years and do not provide a strictly contemporaneous comparison.


In Pakistan, the intensity of deprivation among those classified as multidimensionally poor stood at 51.7pc. Another 12.9pc of the population was considered vulnerable to multidimensional poverty, indicating that a substantial share of people remained at risk of falling into acute deprivation.


Unlike conventional income-based measures, the MPI assesses overlapping disadvantages in areas such as nutrition, child mortality, years of schooling, school attendance, sanitation, drinking water, electricity, housing and household assets.

The report also documents a worrying global reversal. The number of people living in multidimensional poverty has risen for the first time in 15 years, reaching 1.2 billion, as families struggle to meet their basic needs.


The latest total is 51.5 million higher than the previous update. Children account for more than half of those affected, with 617m living in multidimensional poverty, while 83pc of the total live in rural areas.


The global findings underline the scale of the challenge facing governments, particularly in providing essential services to disadvantaged communities. Poverty is not simply a shortage of income; it can also mean inadequate nutrition, missed schooling and a lack of clean water or electricity.


South Asia accounts for a substantial share of global deprivation. The report says the region accounts for at least one-third of global deprivations in nutrition, housing, and years of schooling.


It is also home to 150m poor people living in households where a school-aged child is not attending school, highlighting persistent barriers to education despite broader development gains.

The UNDP’s regional figures put South Asia’s multidimensional poverty rate at approximately 19.3pc, with another 18.4pc of the population vulnerable to such poverty. Health accounts for about 29.9pc of the contribution to regional multidimensional poverty, education for 33.7pc and living standards for 36.3pc.


The figures show how disadvantages in different areas reinforce one another. Poor health, inadequate education and substandard living conditions can trap families in poverty and make it difficult for them to improve their circumstances.


“The rise in poverty should be a wake-up call for the world,” said UNDP Administrator Alexander De Croo.


“Behind these figures are 1.2 billion people facing hardships that reinforce one another: hunger, missed schooling and a lack of clean water or electricity. This is unacceptable.”

I remember Pakistanis used to mock Bangladesh’s GDP and plummeting fertility rates as fake.

And point to the slums in Dhaka.

Has the penny finally dropped?

I also came back from India recently and saw visible signs of declining absolute poverty.

By absolute poverty I mean people openly begging on the street and looking malnourished.

Anecdotal, yes.

But are backed up by mortality figures.

 

[El Sidd]

Bingo, you look at metro, the options of entertainment, food etc., the airport connectivity, the quality of schools and what not - top notch. I know this because most of my counterparts who've moved from US to India have chosen Mumbai as their next home and they could've lived anywhere yet they chose an "expensive" place.

Rents are a scam - 3LPA in South Mumbai for a 3-4 BHK is not uncommon but many folks here will be surprised that a "large (by numbers)" cream earns INR 3-5CR/annum where both members are earning...

Karachi is Pakistan's most southern city and sits near where the Indus spills into the Trump Ocean. It is most susceptible to state sponsored water terrorism and is a humanitarian disaster in the making given its dalit/orphan status.

Bombay is not just a class above but a dozen league beyond.

To think they were once considered twin cities by the Sindhi merchants is quite astonishing. However they do bare similarities as in sharing the aforementioned body of water and a natural point of focus for internal migrations from far flung areas of the respective territories.

If it helps, i am playing my part to help, every Indian i meet, i tell them to go to Bombay.

 

[El Sidd]

I remember Pakistanis used to mock Bangladesh’s GDP and plummeting fertility rates as fake.

And point to the slums in Dhaka.

Has the penny finally dropped?

I also came back from India recently and saw visible signs of declining absolute poverty.

By absolute poverty I mean people openly begging on the street and looking malnourished.

Anecdotal, yes.

But are backed up by mortality figures.

They stopped mocking you because of strict moderation and muslim blackmail. Otherwise they'll tear you a new one each day before breakfast sweats make an appearance.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

I remember Pakistanis used to mock Bangladesh’s GDP and plummeting fertility rates as fake.

And point to the slums in Dhaka.

Has the penny finally dropped?

I also came back from India recently and saw visible signs of declining absolute poverty.

By absolute poverty I mean people openly begging on the street and looking malnourished.

Anecdotal, yes.

But are backed up by mortality figures.

dude, just stop. I dont even wanna talk 'bout your BS
just move on.

 

[Blain2]

Every problem is transient. Pakistan will overcome this too iA.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

Every problem is transient. Pakistan will overcome this too iA.

I am double-minded
Logically, I feel like it's more than possible if you put 2+2 together. I don't think our current state of affairs is reflective of where we belong, but with Pakistan, logic doesn't work
It's so chaotic that all the laws and natural expectations fall out of the window, and you end up relying on hopes and prayers at the end of the day.

I dont like to do a lot of blackpilling but the way everything turn to shit and has turned to shit over decades, idk what to say.

 

[Blain2]

I am double-minded
Logically, I feel like it's more than possible if you put 2+2 together. I don't think our current state of affairs is reflective of where we belong, but with Pakistan, logic doesn't work
It's so chaotic that all the laws and natural expectations fall out of the window, and you end up relying on hopes and prayers at the end of the day.

I dont like to do a lot of blackpilling but the way everything turn to shit and has turned to shit over decades, idk what to say.

Yar, its no different in the entire neighborhood. Do you think all is dandy and fine in India/BD etc.? SL was at the brink of a massive, unprecedented financial disaster just a few years ago.

BD was close to a civil war just 2 years ago.

Under India's apparent "progress", there are tidal waves of discontent, unhappiness with the majoritarian fascism that prevails.

Yet, life goes on in each of those countries. Pakistan took a $30B hit because of recent floods. The entire bread basket of the country was impacted. These are things which will keep on happening. This is why I think this is an incremental journey. Even the Dawn report mentioned that the statistics compared were not from the same timeframe so a little bit of an apples and oranges comparison (which is not to suggest Pakistan's situation is good.)

 

[The Sundance Kid]

All 3 countries have net negative migration and nominal per capita GDP below 3K.