Parsis and Hindutva's Ethnic Nationalism in India

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honestly, its a good place to be.

fly under the radar, joi controversy naam ki cheez ni, no ghisoting the Parsis into riots, violence, this, that, or the other.

kabhi Tata kabhi Manekshaw.. wah wah hi hoti hai..

fir bhi rr

tsk
 
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honestly, its a good place to be.

fly under the radar, joi controversy naam ki cheez ni, no ghisoting the Parsis into riots, violence, this, that, or the other.

kabhi Tata kabhi Manekshaw.. wah wah hi hoti hai..

fir bhi rr

tsk

The problem my friend is there are 60,000 of us.

Not all of us are Tata and Maneckshaw.

We have kids too.

They go to school and college with yours.

Here in India. Not in the US.

Cheers, Doc
 
Could we redirect our attention here to the topic of Parsis and their dance with Hindutva please.

Muslims and Americans or in fact the Chinese or the British or the Mughals are not really of prime interest here.

Thank you for your attention and consideration gents.

This is my thread, and its been doing great, in spite of regular attempts to bait and derail. Civil and intellectual for the large part.

I've gotten the Opium bit nicely addressed too (I got banned on the old forum while having this discussion with @Rivino and got it by the scruff of its neck later with soft sanghis at the Strategic Forum, so I did the honors here with him today).

Cheers, Doc

Thread has run its course bawa.
I think I get it.... a bit. I just can't relate with any lived experience, it's all too theoretical for me, I can only understand in counter comparison to what I do know, it might sound more hostile than intended.

Lived experiences is what an animal gets.

Most humans are satisfied with that life, just not satisfied with those experiences.

So he wants more of the same, so that he gets more unsatisfied and wants more of the same again and again.

From that perspective its better to be an animal because an animal is truly satisfied when it eats, sleeps and fcuks.

Maybe human aspiration should be better.
 
Thread has run its course bawa.


Lived experiences is what an animal gets.

Most humans are satisfied with that life, just not satisfied with those experiences.

So he wants more of the same, so that he gets more unsatisfied and wants more of the same again and again.

From that perspective its better to be an animal because an animal is truly satisfied when it eats, sleeps and fcuks.

Maybe human aspiration should be better.


Hahaha some zingers in that response.

When I said lived experience I didn't mean lived material and sensory experience, I just meant I have no relatable connection to what you describe, as surely what you describe has to have an outwardly observable practice.

I'll stop now on this thread, I don't want to antagonise anyone.
 
Hahaha some zingers in that response.

When I said lived experience I didn't mean lived material and sensory experience, I just meant I have no relatable connection to what you describe, as surely what you describe has to have an outwardly observable practice.

I'll stop now on this thread, I don't want to antagonise anyone.

Its actually an inwardly observable practice.

Once just has to start "looking".
 
The problem my friend is there are 60,000 of us.

Not all of us are Tata and Maneckshaw.

We have kids too.

They go to school and college with yours.

Here in India. Not in the US.

Cheers, Doc
and kisi ne kabhi pareshan nahi kara said kids ko

much unlike the hinnus and the mullims

apart from a high achievers list and famous this that person, aap log zyada figure hi ni karte, which is great.

I knew a ruzbeh something once but, is about all ..

seedhay tata tootaa level pe milenge most parsis, I doubt many random lower level ones are struggling either.

gareebi naam ki cheez hi ni pta Parsion ko :D
 
and kisi ne kabhi pareshan nahi kara said kids ko

much unlike the hinnus and the mullims

apart from a high achievers list and famous this that person, aap log zyada figure hi ni karte, which is great.

I knew a ruzbeh something once but, is about all ..

seedhay tata tootaa level pe milenge most parsis, I doubt many random lower level ones are struggling either.

gareebi naam ki cheez hi ni pta Parsion ko :D

As I said, when you have a circle where people are superficial and do not discuss openly, its difficult for a born Hindu to know (or appreciate) what drives a minority Indian, or how he feels.

Oopar sab changa. Chalo ek peg maaro aur All ijj well gao.

Newsflash Sharma ji. Do you know that minority Indians talk among themselves also? With you not present?

Cheers, Doc
 
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As I said, when you have a circle where people are superficial and do not discuss openly, its difficult for a born Hindu to know (or appreciate) what drives a minority Indian, or how he feels.

Oopar sab changa. Chalo ek peg maaro aur All ijj well gao.

Cheers, Doc
ye kaisi emo waali baatein hai ?

uth, oye.. bhag !

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As I said, when you have a circle where people are superficial and do not discuss openly, its difficult for a born Hindu to know (or appreciate) what drives a minority Indian, or how he feels.

Oopar sab changa. Chalo ek peg maaro aur All ijj well gao.

Newsflash Sharma ji. Do you know that minority Indians talk among themselves also? With you not present?

Cheers, Doc

We are all "minorities" in our own way.

But only a few of us allow "Minority" to become our identity.
 
I think I get it.... a bit. I just can't relate with any lived experience, it's all too theoretical for me, I can only understand in counter comparison to what I do know, it might sound more hostile than intended.

This is how it goes. The concept deeply explained by Shri Swami Sarvapriyanandaji in Top Most Engineering Institute in India.

Who is "Self" i.e. Who am I. As explained in Holy Books called Upnishads.

This particular seeking about "Self" is as defined in "Mandukaya Upnishad".

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Not at all.

That was the gist of your position, yes?

I thought maybe my memory was failing me. So asked another reader if either article made any mention of Jains, versus Sindhi Hindus.

Apparently not.

You were asked the same by @r3alist as I recall.

I do not recall you posting any source that backs up your Jain claims. Besides the assurance that they were because you say they were based on your long readings on the subject ... trust me bro.

Hope that's an accurate summary of our afternoon engagement.

Cheers, Doc


As I was saying ...

@Joe Shearer

Cheers, Doc
 
I wonder what low quality posts of mine got deleted here
 
Still. Its not been an easy journey. Without the continued threat of annihilation ... or assimilation.

This is a fascinating piece.

If you want to see how Parsis have survived and thrived in India, among current examples

See Ratan Tata (or any Parsi industrialist)

See Cyrus Broacha (or any social media influencer, commentator or entertainer)

See CJI Fali Nariman or any of the other 4 Parsi CJI's (or any public servant in high office)

See Doc (or any white collar professional who is outnumbered a million to one in his field of expertise)

All of these will have a public life and a very very private life.

@Joe Shearer I'd appreciate your patient reading and thoughts on the piece too. When you have the time.

@indushek @Rivino @Guru Dutt @Jbgt90tankguy @Developereo

Cheers, Doc
@vsdoc Thanks for the interesting read Doc

This para struck me as very very important, which is given as a part of conclusion.

Whether a minority is exemplary or threatening has little to do with their actions, rather it is determined by the political requirements of the present and how the demand to be loyal and acculturate has previously been answered. These are rhetorical questions and demands. A hierarchy of minorities is established by remembering a story of loyalty and acculturation that denies each community’s historical specificity. It is a denial of how each person and community came to find themselves in the situation they are today. It is the use of a politically charged remembered story in the guise of a historical understanding.

Look at the first three sentences I colored

This writer is contradicting himself so much !!!!

On one hand he says that them being exemplary or threatening, has nothing to do with their actions. That its political expediency of the present, but then in the same sentence he says how they have answered loyalty and acculturation in past?

Are bhai kehna kya chahte ho? Does he mean to say that, the past is no guarantee of future path? Or the past no longer matters, because of what the writer feels?

Fourth colored sentence - Self contradicting again considering what all has been written above, the Hindutva lot is deciding exactly based on historic specificity isn't it for both groups.

Fifth colored - Same as above.

Started good, but ended with preconceived conclusions I guess. Nothing surprising, post 2014 there have been a surge of such articles.

It was also interesting to see mention of Japanese Americans, in this article. I will say its an insult, considering what happened to them during World War. Maybe some riots which you seem to have mentioned, or some struggles in the past.. other than that, have the Parsis ever faced a fate like them here Doc?

Overall picture seems rosy for Parsis (Except the line about Modi asking Parsis to leave for Iran, and them disagreeing - going by whatever written here is absolute truth) if we by this article Doc? Or is there is something am missing.

Have never had any kind of personal interaction with Parsis till date, being from the South. Whatever heard I have only heard good.
 
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