PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment: News, Discussion & Updates

[baqai]

guys lets agree to disagree in politer way

 

[Respect4Respect]

Mark my words. 2026 will be downfall of PTI. The stupid PTI trend will ne over soon.

not when even biggest haters are out here using IK's picture as their DP lol

 

[flyingorca]

not when even biggest haters are out here using IK's picture as their DP lol

Imran Khan has the most impractical policies that will result in self distruction of Pakistan. Its all nice to say I want to do this and that or I wish this and that is a better option without understanding Pakistan's ground realities.
Even I wish that Pakista. Becomes 50 trillion dollars economy does that mean I am a better economist?
He has repeatedly stated in the past that Pakistan should not have participated in WOT without addressing consequences. In 2000s the entire world was on US side because of the narritive they were able to build and even though joining WOT was bad but not going along with this drama would have been even worst of the worst.
Every time you question PTI with such topics its always them diverting from the topic into something else. No clear answer.
Trust me I have bunch of more scenario based questions for PTI that will entangle them in their own self contradictory web of lies.

 

[Olympus81]

Is there a functional judiciary left?

For a functioning state, parliament, judiciary, press need to work in tandem holding the government accountable for their actions.

We know what the current situation is. So lets leave at that.

 

[pashtunkoum]

Imran Khan has the most impractical policies that will result in self distruction of Pakistan. Its all nice to say I want to do this and that or I wish this and that is a better option without understanding Pakistan's ground realities.
Even I wish that Pakista. Becomes 50 trillion dollars economy does that mean I am a better economist?
He has repeatedly stated in the past that Pakistan should not have participated in WOT without addressing consequences. In 2000s the entire world was on US side because of the narritive they were able to build and even though joining WOT was bad but not going along with this drama would have been even worst of the worst.
Every time you question PTI with such topics its always them diverting from the topic into something else. No clear answer.
Trust me I have bunch of more scenario based questions for PTI that will entangle them in their own self contradictory web of lies.

He never said Pakistan should stand up to America but there's a balance. WOT was a terrible strategy how could you possible defend it. Look at the mess Pakistan is now.

Before WOT there were almost no threats on the western border. Yeah people can say all they want about tribes that didn't recognize the border but practically speaking there was no risk.

It's completely false to say PTI diverts every time. I've seen Imran Khan and PTI be very explicit on why WOT was a terrible option. Loss of Pakistani lives, loss of $$$ through investments and instability in Pakistan

The problem was Mushy was in a rocky position since he wasn't democratically elected so he was willing to bend over at all costs. Pakistan could still ally with the US to an extent but Mushy got spooked because of his own position.

Also I love how some of you, when it comes to IK or PTI, have a "set of scenarios" to find some contradiction. But the bar of consistency is nowhere near the same when presented to other parties

imo its actually the opposite. There are very few people who sensibly disagree with Imran Khans policies. It's usually some form of childish hate often just to be contrarian against a popular figure.

 

[flyingorca]

He never said Pakistan should stand up to America but there's a balance. WOT was a terrible strategy how could you possible defend it. Look at the mess Pakistan is now.

Before WOT there were almost no threats on the western border. Yeah people can say all they want about tribes that didn't recognize the border but practically speaking there was no risk.

It's completely false to say PTI diverts every time. I've seen Imran Khan and PTI be very explicit on why WOT was a terrible option. Loss of Pakistani lives, loss of $$$ through investments and instability in Pakistan

The problem was Mushy was in a rocky position since he wasn't democratically elected so he was willing to bend over at all costs. Pakistan could still ally with the US to an extent but Mushy got spooked because of his own position.

Also I love how some of you, when it comes to IK or PTI, have a "set of scenarios" to find some contradiction. But the bar of consistency is nowhere near the same when presented to other parties

imo its actually the opposite. There are very few people who sensibly disagree with Imran Khans policies. It's usually some form of childish hate often just to be contrarian against a popular figure.

It seems like almost all PTI fans are programmed to say specific things and conveniently avoid sensitive topics. I did mentioned that participating in WOT was a bad thing for Pakistan infact the darkest history of Pakistan but I seriously want to know the consequences for not participating in this war from PTI POV. The US gave Pakistan 2 options, You are with us or against us. Imran Khan did say "absolutely not" to hypothetical question about allowing US access to its bases for possible drone strikes but this is after the war. Not the same situation as start of war when we all know who was hell bent to start this war.
Let me be more clear with my scenario, Imran Khan is the PM of Pakistan during 2000s with ultimate power and total control of the military. How is Imran Khan going to respond to this ultimatum "you are with us or against us".
And we all know how crap PPP PMLN are so there is no need to waste time on this.
Focus on this topic that I have raised please.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Imran Khan gave fantastic fiery speeches and grandiose promises for the average darna attendee but that was the limit of his ability.

When it came to maneuvering geopolitics at the regional and global level or handling more complex matters, he simply lacked the acumen or pragmatism to manage it effectively. Idealistic delusions do not suffice here.

If his ego wasn't so high he could maybe still have managed it with a competent team in the background but he treated others like tissue paper and believed he knew best, ultimately this was his downfall that left him with no allies or powerful supporters.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

He never said Pakistan should stand up to America but there's a balance. WOT was a terrible strategy how could you possible defend it. Look at the mess Pakistan is now.

Before WOT there were almost no threats on the western border. Yeah people can say all they want about tribes that didn't recognize the border but practically speaking there was no risk.

It's completely false to say PTI diverts every time. I've seen Imran Khan and PTI be very explicit on why WOT was a terrible option. Loss of Pakistani lives, loss of $$$ through investments and instability in Pakistan

The problem was Mushy was in a rocky position since he wasn't democratically elected so he was willing to bend over at all costs. Pakistan could still ally with the US to an extent but Mushy got spooked because of his own position.

Also I love how some of you, when it comes to IK or PTI, have a "set of scenarios" to find some contradiction. But the bar of consistency is nowhere near the same when presented to other parties

imo its actually the opposite. There are very few people who sensibly disagree with Imran Khans policies. It's usually some form of childish hate often just to be contrarian against a popular figure.

Are you implying that Pakistan hasn't always had a balance? We are China's #1 ally while also managing our relations with the US. This is exactly what balance is.

When it comes to the WoT, it is a bipartisian issue that everyone agrees was dealt with wrong, so it's unfair for PTI to try and monopolise it. Every party has roughly the same stance.

If anything Imran Khan was on record in interviews saying the Taliban is not a threat while it was on a suicide bombing rampage at a time where over thousands of lives had already been lost. This is shameful.



And with all due to respect I disagree with your last line, you often hear the most coherently put-together policy-based arguments against PTI from their critics, while those who support him often have a childish view of politics and use filthy insults against anyone that doesn't obsesses over him. They are everywhere on social media attacking whoever, resistant to any respectful discussion.

 

[newb3e]

So where is the new movement to get IK released that was supposed to being after Eid?

so where is the economic turn around promised by his lordness meri jind meri jaan two years back? where is security promised two years back? where is peace!! where is judiciary!! where is law!! you seem to ignore discussing your lordness and his installed govts performance...cant seem to get your head out of IKs arse?

 

[newb3e]

Imran Khan gave fantastic fiery speeches and grandiose promises for the average darna attendee but that was the limit of his ability.

When it came to maneuvering geopolitics at the regional and global level or handling more complex matters, he simply lacked the acumen or pragmatism to manage it effectively. Idealistic delusions do not suffice here.

If his ego wasn't so high he could maybe still have managed it with a competent team in the background but he treated others like tissue paper and believed he knew best, ultimately this was his downfall that left him with no allies or powerful supporters.

amazing geopolitics by khaki lords vowing down to genocidal pedophile maniacs nominating them for nobel price!! Pakistanisbare undignified piece of garbage who no doubt will sell their mothers for money specially the khaki breed!!

learn from Iran learn about self respect and dignity concept alien to khaki clan!

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

amazing geopolitics by khaki lords vowing down to genocidal pedophile maniacs nominating them for nobel price!! Pakistanisbare undignified piece of garbage who no doubt will sell their mothers for money specially the khaki breed!!

learn from Iran learn about self respect and dignity concept alien to khaki clan!

@pashtunkoum This is exactly what I was talking about here in my message above. It's often seen mainly on one side.

Severe mental retardation combined with PoJèèt level filth. I hope Allah heals this creature.

 

[newb3e]

@pashtunkoum This is exactly what I was talking about here in my message above. It's often seen mainly on one side.

Severe mental retardation combined with PoJèèt level filth. I hope Allah heals this creature.

yup mental retardation bowing down to a pedophile!!

 

[313Ghazi]

@Yousafzai_M your thread was deleted as part of PDF's attempts to oppress any support for PTI. But in response to what you posted I would like to say.....


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Faujeets can take as much copium as they like, but erasing Imran Khan is not possible. The only way is to kill him, and even them it doesn't matter. As @Taimoor has said - the hatred for the military Junta and all those who facilitate and support it - it's now part of the social fabric.
Every generation has it, those who saw Fatima Jinnah mistreated hated Ayub, those who saw Bangladesh torn from us hate Yahya Khan, those who saw Bhutto hanged hate Zia, those who suffered the consequences of Zia hate him too, those who lost Benazir, hate Musharraf, and we will always hate Bajwa/Munir and anyone else who comes after them.

All the wars and the fake medals and the parades won't change a thing. PDF is a hotbed of people who worship the ground the Generals walk on, and even here - the majority hate the Junta. The rules have been tightened to prevent the expression of that hatred everywhere.

I was a proud ****, i think Pervez Musharraf shit gold and burped wisdom. I was a fool. Never again in my life will I support anyone who puts their personal interests ahead of the state of Pakistan. Even if Imran Khan did that - i would not support him. I don't support his approach to Afghanistan for example - but I will support him in his fight for democracy.

Democracy is a shit system, but it's the best we have right now. It's much better than being a plaything of the military and the elite.

 

[baqai]

Is there a functional judiciary left?

For a functioning state, parliament, judiciary, press need to work in tandem holding the government accountable for their actions.

We know what the current situation is. So lets leave at that.

it's convenient that the very same judiciary becomes good when decisions are in favor but non functional when decisions are against

 

[baqai]

@Yousafzai_M your thread was deleted as part of PDF's attempts to oppress any support for PTI. But in response to what you posted I would like to say.....


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Faujeets can take as much copium as they like, but erasing Imran Khan is not possible. The only way is to kill him, and even them it doesn't matter. As @Taimoor has said - the hatred for the military Junta and all those who facilitate and support it - it's now part of the social fabric.
Every generation has it, those who saw Fatima Jinnah mistreated hated Ayub, those who saw Bangladesh torn from us hate Yahya Khan, those who saw Bhutto hanged hate Zia, those who suffered the consequences of Zia hate him too, those who lost Benazir, hate Musharraf, and we will always hate Bajwa/Munir and anyone else who comes after them.

All the wars and the fake medals and the parades won't change a thing. PDF is a hotbed of people who worship the ground the Generals walk on, and even here - the majority hate the Junta. The rules have been tightened to prevent the expression of that hatred everywhere.

I was a proud ****, i think Pervez Musharraf shit gold and burped wisdom. I was a fool. Never again in my life will I support anyone who puts their personal interests ahead of the state of Pakistan. Even if Imran Khan did that - i would not support him. I don't support his approach to Afghanistan for example - but I will support him in his fight for democracy.

Democracy is a shit system, but it's the best we have right now. It's much better than being a plaything of the military and the elite.

there is one thread to discuss, no need to create further threads, he was informed about it, lets not create conspiracy theories around it