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The umbilical cord through which these nasty foreign influences are imposed on Pakistan, that cord is connected to GHQ. Forget about Shareef and Zardari clan, they are just pawns of generals. Pakistan needs a complete reset, where these 22 graders unaccountable demi gods in GHQ are put to firing squad, their wings are clipped once a for all, and their focus is FORCELLY put to their bloody job, which is to tackle the enemy nations. All foreign policy decision must be made through consensus and representation of the nation, not just few rats deciding on behalf of 220 million and keep on making blunders after blunders without any consequences for them.
There is historical context behind why Pakistan Army and Pakistan are dependent on foreign powers.

That lies in the benefits these countries provided. Without their support, it would have been nigh impossible for Pakistan to compete with India as peer/near peer. For Pakistan, at least till recently, True North was whatever allowed them to compete (military primarily, economically secondly) with India. And to be fair, Pakistan was successfully able to do that for 50 years. There was a cost to pay, and Pakistan has been comfortable in paying that.
 
There is historical context behind why Pakistan Army and Pakistan are dependent on foreign powers.

That lies in the benefits these countries provided. Without their support, it would have been nigh impossible for Pakistan to compete with India as peer/near peer. For Pakistan, at least till recently, True North was whatever allowed them to compete (military primarily, economically secondly) with India. And to be fair, Pakistan was successfully able to do that for 50 years. There was a cost to pay, and Pakistan has been comfortable in paying that.

That's was at the infancy stage when we were truely in dire state to find whatever we could from wherever. Now India is completely irrelevant, in politics and at the security level. Every Tom dick and Harry knows that India can be easily wiped out as a functioning state if we ever found India challenging our sovereign and our territorial integrity. No one vote in Pakistan making India as an issue.

Issue now is that that elite of military is so used to living lives beyond their means with no accountability, they go to any lengths to preserve their unlawful privileges. It's now all about securing their retirement packages in western countries or their affiliates and for that that can go to any lengths.
 
Except of one known example, none of Generals' retirements, investments, kids settlement are in Saudi. It's all in US and other western countries. Pakistanis are tied to the chain of american slavery. Saudis role is overhyped, washington passes out very specific scripts for generals to follow and even a slight wavering on them leads to major reprimands.
 
There is historical context behind why Pakistan Army and Pakistan are dependent on foreign powers.

That lies in the benefits these countries provided. Without their support, it would have been nigh impossible for Pakistan to compete with India as peer/near peer.

The generals couldn't see beyond their nose. As long as military benefit was provided, plus green cards and pocket commission, there was no need to focus on the economy or HDI. The Pakistani population was viewed as a source of cannon fodder, not assets to be nurtured and cultivated to build a strong country.

Except of one known example, none of Generals' retirements, investments, kids settlement are in Saudi. It's all in US and other western countries. Pakistanis are tied to the chain of american slavery. Saudis role is overhyped, washington passes out very specific scripts for generals to follow and even a slight wavering on them leads to major reprimands.

Yes but the civilian elite have plenty of loot in the GCC,
 
Yes but the civilian elite have plenty of loot in the GCC,

Civilians elites are at the mercy of generals who compete with each to be in GHQ good books, and whoever GHQ decide to support, the general in return expect full compliance and more importantly, giving them a smokescreen of "civilian government" to do their own corruption which nobody hears, talk about , or allowed to be discussed. How the last five COAS, all settled abroad along with their offsprings on the salary they had as 22 grade officers during their service? Bigger question, how state allowed them to settle aborad post retirement when these men had all the knowledge of Pakistan most intimate secrets, its nuke and missile program!
 
Bigger question, how state allowed them to settle aborad post retirement when these men had all the knowledge of Pakistan most intimate secrets, its nuke and missile program!

To be fair, even Imran Khan did a similar idiocy. I was flabbergasted when he appointed Moeed Yusuf as Pakistan's National Security Advisor. Even setting aside the fact that Moeed Yusuf had been vocally critical of Imran Khan over the years, it is amazing that Khan could not find a single qualified individual out of 220 million local Pakistanis and had to appoint someone who has signed legal documents affirming his intention to make his future life in the USA?

But Imran Khan's government appointments were notoriously tainted with nepotism, not necessarily his, but of the leeches around him. His so-called 'team' were just a bunch of opportunists who let him down big time.
 
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Civilians elites are at the mercy of generals who compete with each to be in GHQ good books, and whoever GHQ decide to support, the general in return expect full compliance and more importantly, giving them a smokescreen of "civilian government" to do their own corruption which nobody hears, talk about , or allowed to be discussed. How the last five COAS, all settled abroad along with their offsprings on the salary they had as 22 grade officers during their service? Bigger question, how state allowed them to settle aborad post retirement when these men had all the knowledge of Pakistan most intimate secrets, its nuke and missile program!

I doubt the real secrets are with the COAS. The head of SPD is the one with the most secrets
 
I doubt the real secrets are with the COAS. The head of SPD is the one with the most secrets

Would you make same assumption of any CEO of any company being clueless what going under him?
 
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Would you make same assumption of any CEO of any company being clueless what going under him?

I would not expect the CEO of Coca Cola to know the actual secrets for making Coke
 
Since its inception, Pakistan has struggled to shape its policies independently, often caught between the political ambitions and strategic interests of foreign powers. This influence is particularly evident in the sway held by Washington and Riyadh, whose control over Pakistan’s political and military landscape restricts the country’s ability to act autonomously. Through loans, strategic alliances, and influence over political appointments, these powers have consistently shaped Pakistan’s domestic and foreign policies.

The notion of external powers manipulating a nation’s policies is not new. Colonial powers such as Britain and France used political and economic control to dominate various regions, often by installing local leaders who would follow their mandates. Pakistan’s journey has been similar, though it has experienced this influence from modern superpowers like the United States and key allies like Saudi Arabia.

Since Pakistan’s independence, the United States has viewed it as a strategic ally, especially during the Cold War and in the subsequent War on Terror. However, this alliance has come with a price. American support for Pakistan’s military regimes and various governments has meant that Washington’s interests have often dictated Pakistan’s policy decisions. A pivotal moment was the aftermath of 9/11, when the then-U.S. President George W. Bush famously declared, “You’re either with us, or you’re against us,” pressuring Pakistan to join America’s war in Afghanistan. Pakistani generals allowed the U.S. military to use airbases within Pakistan, facilitating attacks on Afghanistan. This decision had lasting consequences, as the influx of arms and the destabilising effects of warfare spilt over into Pakistan, damaging its social fabric and economic system. This was a repetition of history; during the Soviet-Afghan war, Pakistan was similarly coerced into becoming a frontline state, with far-reaching consequences that Pakistan has struggled to recover from.

More recently, former Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan’s removal from office in 2022 raised suspicions of American involvement, especially given Khan’s efforts to strengthen ties with Russia. Khan’s attempt to participate in the Kuala Lumpur Summit in 2019 alongside the Malaysian and Turkish presidents was also thwarted by Pakistan’s military under pressure from Saudi Arabia, further underscoring the extent of foreign influence on Pakistan’s policies.

Saudi Arabia has been another major player in Pakistan’s political sphere. Given Pakistan’s economic struggles, Saudi financial aid and oil subsidies have often been lifelines for the country. However, these benefits come with strings attached. Riyadh expects loyalty in return, influencing Pakistan’s foreign policy decisions. For instance, Saudi Arabia reportedly pressured Pakistan to discourage Imran Khan from attending the Kuala Lumpur Summit, which Riyadh saw as a challenge to its leadership in the Muslim world.

This control goes beyond financial leverage. Saudi-funded religious schools in Pakistan promote ideologies aligning with Riyadh’s interests, embedding Saudi influence within Pakistan’s cultural and religious institutions. Additionally, Saudi Arabia’s influence has repeatedly led Pakistani leaders to travel to Riyadh, seeking approval or support, such as Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif’s recent visit to Saudi Arabia.

Nawaz Sharif’s recent visit to Washington and Shehbaz Sharif’s visit to Riyadh highlight the ongoing nature of this dependency. These visits underscore how Pakistan’s political leaders often seek approval or guidance from foreign capitals before making critical decisions. The reliance on Washington and Riyadh for financial aid and political backing reveals a power dynamic where Pakistan’s leaders are often bound to follow the agendas set by these capitals.

Economic dependency has cemented the influence of Washington and Riyadh over Pakistan. The United States and Saudi Arabia have provided Pakistan with significant financial aid and loans over the years, creating a cycle of dependency. The IMF, which the U.S. heavily influences, also plays a role as Pakistan’s economic stability is often tied to IMF loans. This dependency extends to military appointments; former ISI chief General Hameed Gul once remarked that no army chief could be appointed without approval from Washington and Riyadh, reflecting how deeply foreign influence permeates Pakistan’s power structures.

Pakistan’s struggle for sovereignty remains compromised by the grip of Washington and Riyadh. Events from the 9/11 aftermath to the recent visits of Pakistan’s leaders to these capitals underscore the enduring nature of this control. Pakistan’s policies, military appointments, and even foreign relations are frequently shaped by the interests of these foreign powers. As long as Pakistan remains economically and politically reliant on external aid and approval, it will continue to be bound by the influence of these two capitals, unable to move forward independently or secure its place on the world stage.
War on Terrorism? You mean War of Terrorism.

Anyways, look we are not a very strong nation. Riyadh's influence I can understand.

But we should seek alternatives to USA, like China, Russia, Brazil, Japan.
 
War on Terrorism? You mean War of Terrorism.

Anyways, look we are not a very strong nation. Riyadh's influence I can understand.

But we should seek alternatives to USA, like China, Russia, Brazil, Japan.
We even sold our souls… When your retired generals, retired judges, and politicians own properties in hostile countries, and even your acting and serving generals and judges and politicians openly own businesses abroad, do you expect loyalty from them. We Pakistani allow them to do. We do not burn their homes down.
Pakistan is a country that produces the best traitors. Even small website moderators cannot tolerate the truth; they start blocking people who speak it, acting like they’re burying their heads in the sand like an ostrich. When intellectuals are not ready to accept the truth, such countries cannot progress. If you tell them the truth, they accuse you of not being a true Pakistani.
This is for the moderators running this small website. These days, I don’t have enough time to write, but I want to give them a little lesson, as they clearly need it. The self-proclaimed intellectuals running these sites act as if they are the sole guardians of truth, dismissing or silencing any perspective that doesn’t align with their own. They fail to realize that real wisdom lies in listening to different viewpoints, not blocking them. If you refuse to acknowledge and understand the underlying problems, how can you ever hope to find solutions? Pretending there’s no disease won’t make it disappear—it will only allow it to spread unchecked. True progress demands honesty, not censorship.”
 
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I would not expect the CEO of Coca Cola to know the actual secrets for making Coke

But he would know the ongoing projects, future projects, plans, finances, dealings, who is who within the org chat , so on and so forth, power to fire and hire, move people about, make policies decisions which can make or break the company. Now think again.
 
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