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But he would know the ongoing projects, future projects, plans, finances, dealings, who is who within the org chat , so on and so forth, power to fire and hire, move people about, make policies decisions which can make or break the company. Now think again.

The CEO would know some of those. Once out of office the information becomes quite dated within a few months. In addition to the CEO there are a lot of other folks who know all those details. The org chart of Coca Cola is available to all employees.

It should be obvious by now that Pakistani army chief does not know all the details regarding the nuclear arsenal. Otherwise they are not going to be allowed to settle abroad.
 
The CEO would know some of those. Once out of office the information becomes quite dated within a few months. In addition to the CEO there are a lot of other folks who know all those details. The org chart of Coca Cola is available to all employees.

It should be obvious by now that Pakistani army chief does not know all the details regarding the nuclear arsenal. Otherwise they are not going to be allowed to settle abroad.

The father of Pakistani bomb was on record that then COAS Musharraf didnt authorized the work on Ghauri-3 becuase he didnt want to upset yanks due to Israel coming directly into the range. Here you have a undeniable proof of how a COAS can scuttle Pakistan own security needs in order to satisfy foreign powers.

Its no coincidence that last 5 COAS endup settling in west or western affiliates nations post retirement. Proof is in the pudding.
 
In recent years, figures like Egypt’s General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi and Pakistan’s General Asim Munir have emerged as powerful military leaders, wielding control over their countries with the backing of foreign allies. Both generals were brought into power with significant international support, aimed at securing regional interests for those foreign powers. Their rule, marked by heavy-handed control over democratic processes and suppression of dissent, underscores the strategies employed by foreign nations to maintain influence in regions critical to their geopolitical aims.

Paths to Power and Foreign Influence

In Egypt, General Sisi took power in 2013 through a military coup that ousted the country’s first democratically elected president, Mohamed Morsi. This move had the full backing of Saudi Arabia and the United States, who sought stability in Egypt that aligned with their own interests. Sisi’s administration quickly dismantled Egypt’s democratic structures, suppressing opposition voices and consolidating military dominance over politics. His rise to power served a clear agenda: ensure stability beneficial to foreign allies, primarily by protecting Israel and maintaining control over the strategic Suez Canal.

Similarly, in Pakistan, General Asim Munir’s ascent was reportedly influenced by foreign capitals, notably Washington and Riyadh. After Pakistan’s former Prime Minister Imran Khan advocated for a more independent foreign policy, which included support for the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the United States grew wary of Pakistan’s alignment with China. Imran Khan’s favouring of CPEC—a project that grants China a crucial trade route—was seen as a threat to American interests in the region. Therefore, by bringing Munir to power, foreign allies aimed to curb Pakistan’s engagement with China and limit CPEC’s impact, while pushing Pakistan closer to Indian hegemony, which aligns with U.S. strategies in South Asia.

Suppression of Democratic Movements

General Sisi’s rule in Egypt has been defined by strict control over political processes and harsh repression of dissent. After ousting Morsi, Sisi clamped down on Egypt’s democratic space, limiting civil liberties, and ensuring that any opposition was either marginalised or silenced. This crackdown, widely criticised, was overlooked by his foreign backers, who prioritised their strategic interests over democratic values.

In Pakistan, a similar story unfolded with General Munir. The former Prime Minister Imran Khan, known for his nationalist and independent stance, was removed through a no-confidence vote under controversial circumstances, allegedly influenced by foreign interests. Following his ouster, Khan’s imprisonment further highlighted the lengths to which the establishment would go to keep him out of power, echoing the treatment of opposition figures in authoritarian regimes. For both Sisi and Munir, democratic processes were seen as a threat to the alignment with foreign agendas, and therefore, they worked to curb these movements effectively.

Strategic Interests Behind Military Control

The installation of leaders like Sisi and Munir is driven by broader geopolitical aims. In Egypt, Western and regional powers prioritise a stable regime that secures the Suez Canal, maintains Egypt within a pro-Western sphere, and protects Israel’s security. Meanwhile, in Pakistan, foreign powers see the necessity of keeping the country aligned with India, which they view as a crucial ally in South Asia. With the U.S. aiming to counter China’s influence, particularly the CPEC corridor, they have sought to discourage Pakistan from fostering closer ties with China.

The American strategy, especially after its experiences in Afghanistan, involves installing compliant leaders who can prevent the rise of independent leadership that could shift alliances. With Munir’s rise, there has been a visible shift in Pakistan’s stance on CPEC and its foreign policy, marking a return to Washington’s influence over Pakistan’s strategic decisions.

Authoritarian Leaders with Conditional Support

Both Sisi and Munir govern with strong foreign backing, but their popularity among their own people is questionable. History has repeatedly shown that leaders who serve foreign interests rather than their own citizens often lose favour with their people. Egypt’s former president, Hosni Mubarak, ruled for decades with Western support but was eventually overthrown amid widespread public opposition. Similarly, Pakistan’s past military rulers, such as Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Zia-ul-Haq, and Musharraf, all met disgraced ends after falling out of favour, with either forced resignations or public disdain.

Foreign Policy Gambits and Regional Stability

The recent extension of General Munir’s term and his backing from allies in the U.S. and Saudi Arabia illustrate their desire to maintain a compliant leader in Pakistan. This approach is similar to the foreign policy strategy seen in Egypt, where Sisi’s continued rule aligns with foreign interests that favour stability over democracy. However, this stability often comes at the cost of democratic freedoms and public support. In both countries, foreign powers prioritise their strategic interests, ignoring the voices of the local populace.
Country like Pakistan and Egypt too big to Attack militarily .

Countries like Pakistan and Egypt, while difficult for foreign powers to control through direct military action, are often subdued through economic manipulation and the installation of puppet dictators. When powerful nations cannot seize control overtly, they resort to tactics such as destabilizing economies, placing corrupt individuals in power, and binding nations in dependency through debt and economic leverage. This centuries-old strategy, perfected by the West, has proven highly effective in maintaining influence over vulnerable nations. By fostering economic dependence on Western loans and Saudi and uae support, foreign powers secure control, quietly exploiting resources and installing loyal leaders who serve their interests over the well-being of their own people.

Lessons from History

While leaders like Sisi and Munir appear strong today, history reminds us that foreign-backed authoritarian regimes often meet bitter ends. Egypt’s Mubarak ruled with a firm grip for years but faced disgraceful removal when public sentiment turned. In Pakistan, previous military rulers who rose with strong foreign backing eventually faced similar downfalls. Power based on foreign support alone is rarely sustainable, and ultimately, leaders lacking genuine public backing become vulnerable to changing political tides.
Both Sisi and Munir serve as contemporary examples of foreign-aligned strongmen. But as history has shown, all autocrats eventually face the consequences of ignoring their people’s aspirations. The fates of past dictators demonstrate that true power lies not in foreign alliances but in public trust, and as soon as that trust erodes, even the strongest leaders become powerless.
 
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Since Asim Munir is Usa man, and he will degrade relations with China and follow Indian lead, does this mean Cpec and Gwadar is finished and China will no longer sell advanced military weaponary to Pakistan? It cannot be possible that whilst Pakistan is betraying China, China is selling latest technologies, investing in Gwadar and Cpec.
 
Man we got no respect at all. Sawdi Judea itself under US control and it actually has leverage over events in our country?

This is seriously jahiliyat.
 
Munira Mistry is not a strong man, he is a p@ssy who likes to pick
on unarmed women and children.


“If I don’t call him strong, the moderators on the website will block me. There are many people here who don’t care about Pakistan but care only about him.”
 
Asim isn't a "strong" man...
He is a little pussycat.
To make some mods happy read whol of article you will love it one jealous will delete the article soon lol
 
Now we know why Nawaz sharif and shabaz went Washington and Riyadh
 
Since Asim Munir is Usa man, and he will degrade relations with China and follow Indian lead, does this mean Cpec and Gwadar is finished and China will no longer sell advanced military weaponary to Pakistan? It cannot be possible that whilst Pakistan is betraying China, China is selling latest technologies, investing in Gwadar and Cpec.
Chinese have been the biggest chutiyas in this whole enterprise feeding and fattening up the colonial army which is directly under thumb of US colonial order doing the colonial bidding.
 
Why did Asim Munir do all this in such a hurry? He is afraid that if Trump wins the election, he will have to free Imran Khan because as Trump has also faced severe punishment through fake cases brought by the American establishment, just like Imran Khan. The way the Pakistani establishment treats imran khan is completely inhumane.”
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Chinese have been the biggest chutiyas in this whole enterprise feeding and fattening up the colonial army which is directly under thumb of US colonial order doing the colonial bidding.

Doesn't make sense, at times people are saying we are usa puppets and then Chinese puppets, and why would China beef up an army under total usa colonial rule, exposing their latest technology etc. The reality is Pakistan establishment did not agree with IK and PTI policies, afterwards they had a total breakdown of relations and this all lead to a confrontation, at first PTI fans were laughing that army generals will be toppled by junior generals, then laughing DGISI is scared and sweating but army turned the table. It's internal struggle between different Pakistan ruling powers, PTI wanted independent foreign policy which the world powers were not happy about whilst the establishment wants balanced relations with world powers, they do not want to cross world powers such as GCC, EU and Usa, for me the biggest people upset were the Saudis, they were angry with Morsi, Mahatir and both were removed, with IK it was the same. They cannot accept Muslim rulers to be disobedience to them, for them the control of Muslim rulers is a selling point towards their relations with Usa.
 
In recent years, figures like Egypt’s General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi and Pakistan’s General Asim Munir have emerged as powerful military leaders, wielding control over their countries with the backing of foreign allies. Both generals were brought into power with significant international support, aimed at securing regional interests for those foreign powers. Their rule, marked by heavy-handed control over democratic processes and suppression of dissent, underscores the strategies employed by foreign nations to maintain influence in regions critical to their geopolitical aims.

Paths to Power and Foreign Influence

In Egypt, General Sisi took power in 2013 through a military coup that ousted the country’s first democratically elected president, Mohamed Morsi. This move had the full backing of Saudi Arabia and the United States, who sought stability in Egypt that aligned with their own interests. Sisi’s administration quickly dismantled Egypt’s democratic structures, suppressing opposition voices and consolidating military dominance over politics. His rise to power served a clear agenda: ensure stability beneficial to foreign allies, primarily by protecting Israel and maintaining control over the strategic Suez Canal.

Similarly, in Pakistan, General Asim Munir’s ascent was reportedly influenced by foreign capitals, notably Washington and Riyadh. After Pakistan’s former Prime Minister Imran Khan advocated for a more independent foreign policy, which included support for the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the United States grew wary of Pakistan’s alignment with China. Imran Khan’s favouring of CPEC—a project that grants China a crucial trade route—was seen as a threat to American interests in the region. Therefore, by bringing Munir to power, foreign allies aimed to curb Pakistan’s engagement with China and limit CPEC’s impact, while pushing Pakistan closer to Indian hegemony, which aligns with U.S. strategies in South Asia.

Suppression of Democratic Movements

General Sisi’s rule in Egypt has been defined by strict control over political processes and harsh repression of dissent. After ousting Morsi, Sisi clamped down on Egypt’s democratic space, limiting civil liberties, and ensuring that any opposition was either marginalised or silenced. This crackdown, widely criticised, was overlooked by his foreign backers, who prioritised their strategic interests over democratic values.

In Pakistan, a similar story unfolded with General Munir. The former Prime Minister Imran Khan, known for his nationalist and independent stance, was removed through a no-confidence vote under controversial circumstances, allegedly influenced by foreign interests. Following his ouster, Khan’s imprisonment further highlighted the lengths to which the establishment would go to keep him out of power, echoing the treatment of opposition figures in authoritarian regimes. For both Sisi and Munir, democratic processes were seen as a threat to the alignment with foreign agendas, and therefore, they worked to curb these movements effectively.

Strategic Interests Behind Military Control

The installation of leaders like Sisi and Munir is driven by broader geopolitical aims. In Egypt, Western and regional powers prioritise a stable regime that secures the Suez Canal, maintains Egypt within a pro-Western sphere, and protects Israel’s security. Meanwhile, in Pakistan, foreign powers see the necessity of keeping the country aligned with India, which they view as a crucial ally in South Asia. With the U.S. aiming to counter China’s influence, particularly the CPEC corridor, they have sought to discourage Pakistan from fostering closer ties with China.

The American strategy, especially after its experiences in Afghanistan, involves installing compliant leaders who can prevent the rise of independent leadership that could shift alliances. With Munir’s rise, there has been a visible shift in Pakistan’s stance on CPEC and its foreign policy, marking a return to Washington’s influence over Pakistan’s strategic decisions.

Authoritarian Leaders with Conditional Support

Both Sisi and Munir govern with strong foreign backing, but their popularity among their own people is questionable. History has repeatedly shown that leaders who serve foreign interests rather than their own citizens often lose favour with their people. Egypt’s former president, Hosni Mubarak, ruled for decades with Western support but was eventually overthrown amid widespread public opposition. Similarly, Pakistan’s past military rulers, such as Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Zia-ul-Haq, and Musharraf, all met disgraced ends after falling out of favour, with either forced resignations or public disdain.

Foreign Policy Gambits and Regional Stability

The recent extension of General Munir’s term and his backing from allies in the U.S. and Saudi Arabia illustrate their desire to maintain a compliant leader in Pakistan. This approach is similar to the foreign policy strategy seen in Egypt, where Sisi’s continued rule aligns with foreign interests that favour stability over democracy. However, this stability often comes at the cost of democratic freedoms and public support. In both countries, foreign powers prioritise their strategic interests, ignoring the voices of the local populace.
Country like Pakistan and Egypt too big to Attack militarily .

Countries like Pakistan and Egypt, while difficult for foreign powers to control through direct military action, are often subdued through economic manipulation and the installation of puppet dictators. When powerful nations cannot seize control overtly, they resort to tactics such as destabilizing economies, placing corrupt individuals in power, and binding nations in dependency through debt and economic leverage. This centuries-old strategy, perfected by the West, has proven highly effective in maintaining influence over vulnerable nations. By fostering economic dependence on Western loans and Saudi and uae support, foreign powers secure control, quietly exploiting resources and installing loyal leaders who serve their interests over the well-being of their own people.

Lessons from History

While leaders like Sisi and Munir appear strong today, history reminds us that foreign-backed authoritarian regimes often meet bitter ends. Egypt’s Mubarak ruled with a firm grip for years but faced disgraceful removal when public sentiment turned. In Pakistan, previous military rulers who rose with strong foreign backing eventually faced similar downfalls. Power based on foreign support alone is rarely sustainable, and ultimately, leaders lacking genuine public backing become vulnerable to changing political tides.
Both Sisi and Munir serve as contemporary examples of foreign-aligned strongmen. But as history has shown, all autocrats eventually face the consequences of ignoring their people’s aspirations. The fates of past dictators demonstrate that true power lies not in foreign alliances but in public trust, and as soon as that trust erodes, even the strongest leaders become powerless.

Imran Khan or no Imran Khan Pakistan still has to run to the IMF.
 
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