PTI Murad Saeed in Afghanistan, was 'controlling KP govt' from there: Rana Sanaullah

[ziaulislam]

No they stayed and kill innocent Bihari's in thousands, but got a independent country, what will KPK do? merge with Afghanistan? lol... or independent Pushtoonistan? with who? The collective IQ of entire KPK is -10, the whole region has only innovated new ways to make khud kuss bombaar and IED's while the world is making flying cars, you really think that KPK or Baluchistan or its people are intellectually capable of ruling/running a country ? if so then bhai I just want to have the same shit what you are smoking.

Exactly what Pakistani general said
Like who in their real mind think that 4 crore people with ample resources cant be sustained as country if the central economy collapse or if Pakistan faces a conventional war with india

Generals and their boot lickers with zero common sense

 

[Starlord]

Exactly what Pakistani general said
Like who in their real mind think that 4 crore people with ample resources cant be sustained as country if the central economy collapse or if Pakistan faces a conventional war with india

Generals and their boot lickers with zero common sense

A small difference is that Bengali and Bihari's were far far far more smarter people than KPKians and Baluchi's.

 

[Prophecy]

Just a usual day.
Trying to get to his whereabouts.

And to be honest the whole media blame campaign regarding terrorism is just chowkidars finding a scapegoat (just happens to be pti because they don't like them).

The naivety shown on this thread is just laughable, as if we don't know the casual/usual modus operandi.

 

[313Ghazi]

fact that PTI has , does and will for the future have active TTP supporting elements within them

This is the crux of the problem. This is not a matter of fact. It's conjecture from a political opponent who wears a uniform, controls and army and the judiciary and has his own political front to hide behind.

Political opinion, is not fact. Fact is proven by the scientific method and in such matters in an independent court of law.

What you happily push as fact because of your dislike of PTI is no more than slander.

 

[313Ghazi]

Just a usual day.
Trying to get to his whereabouts.

And to be honest the whole media blame campaign regarding terrorism is just chowkidars finding a scapegoat (just happens to be pti because they don't like them).

The naivety shown on this thread is just laughable, as if we don't know the casual/usual modus operandi.

It's not naivety, it's complicity. Some on this forum will excuse the holy cow anything - because the cow being holy is the cornerstone of thier world view.

 

[ziaulislam]

A small difference is that Bengali and Bihari's were far far far more smarter people than KPKians and Baluchi's.

Wow what changed your mind
Because previously we use to call them barbarians who dont even clean their behinds(source shahab nama )

That's what PMLN Sindhi governor and every other historical govt document states

So once they beat us and got more developed then us without any resources we have we now think they are smarter

 

[ziaulislam]

Regardless of the whataboutism here - at that point Mohsin Dawar had said he had wanted about Taliban regrouping and this was the result of it.

But at the end his escape had a lot more to do with his support from his handlers who in turn compromised people within the prison.

The whataboutism - the incompetence of counter intelligence operations in identifying compromised individuals in the prison is still irrelevant to the fact that PTI has , does and will for the future have active TTP supporting elements within them regardless of the damage they cause to Pakistan.


It helps securing its candidates and rallies from any trouble with TTP within the areas where the state writ has failed.
It helps provides secure passage for whenever it needs to bring in numbers from KP for its long marches.

It provides it a hedge for a last ditch plan where even if the PTI officially dissolves or mutates there will be a plan to create a secessionist movement within it with Imran Khan as the next Bacha Khan.

Whether Murad Saeed is being controlled from Afghanistan in pure conjecture - but that doesnt mean he may or may not have as plenty of now PTI party candidates do have links within Afghanistan and a token few actively cooperate with both TTP and TTA elements in Afghanistan on both funding and other illicit activites.

That does not absolve the establishment of its wrong doings - it does not take away their support of militant training and proxies nor that they still do not engage in it even today to try and create their so called perfect balance which they continue to fail miserably at. Those facts will remain.

But it does not make the PTI a positive factor in Pakistan anymore, it does not make it faultless, and it does not makes it supporters any less blind followers with little reason, civility or family values in discourse when presented any alternative to their exact script.

Saying PTI or pushtoons support terrorism is play book military used in bengal

Its pretty obvious that punjabis and sindhis have signed out of kpk and Balochistan..its now not the question of if but when

 

[Blain2]

Regardless of the whataboutism here - at that point Mohsin Dawar had said he had wanted about Taliban regrouping and this was the result of it.

But at the end his escape had a lot more to do with his support from his handlers who in turn compromised people within the prison.

The whataboutism - the incompetence of counter intelligence operations in identifying compromised individuals in the prison is still irrelevant to the fact that PTI has , does and will for the future have active TTP supporting elements within them regardless of the damage they cause to Pakistan.


It helps securing its candidates and rallies from any trouble with TTP within the areas where the state writ has failed.
It helps provides secure passage for whenever it needs to bring in numbers from KP for its long marches.

It provides it a hedge for a last ditch plan where even if the PTI officially dissolves or mutates there will be a plan to create a secessionist movement within it with Imran Khan as the next Bacha Khan.

Whether Murad Saeed is being controlled from Afghanistan in pure conjecture - but that doesnt mean he may or may not have as plenty of now PTI party candidates do have links within Afghanistan and a token few actively cooperate with both TTP and TTA elements in Afghanistan on both funding and other illicit activites.

That does not absolve the establishment of its wrong doings - it does not take away their support of militant training and proxies nor that they still do not engage in it even today to try and create their so called perfect balance which they continue to fail miserably at. Those facts will remain.

But it does not make the PTI a positive factor in Pakistan anymore, it does not make it faultless, and it does not makes it supporters any less blind followers with little reason, civility or family values in discourse when presented any alternative to their exact script.

I am not sure if I see any wrongdoing in what you stated: "That does not absolve the establishment of its wrong doings - it does not take away their support of militant training and proxies nor that they still do not engage in it even today to try and create their so called perfect balance which they continue to fail miserably at. Those facts will remain."

Every country of consequence tries to use non-state actors to influence favorable outcomes. The alternate to that is open war or you simply sit out and let others shape the narrative around you and in your backyard.

Pakistan did not have this luxury given in Afghanistan, 6 nations/groups were trying to vie for influence. These included the US, Russia, India, Iran, Pakistan and various Afghan factions.
So we did what we did knowing there could be potential blowback. Its done with and in the rearview. Now, we need to contend with the next set of challenges and that is dealing with the Taliban who are trying to repeat the earlier playbook by using proxies against Pakistan.

There was no option/condition in which Pakistan was going to have its interests safeguarded by sitting out.

 

[Blain2]

Saying PTI or pushtoons support terrorism is play book military used in bengal

Its pretty obvious that punjabis and sindhis have signed out of kpk and Balochistan..its now not the question of if but when

I don't think "support" is the right word. What PTI has done is that under the garb of "lets talk to them", it has looked the other way while TTP has been on its murderous spree.

There is no talking with TTP/EofA because that has been tried not once, but multiple times. Their ultimate goal is talibanization of Pakistan. If that is acceptable to PTI In KPK, it isn't to the rest of the country.

Therein lies the challenge. There is not one member here who has been able to clearly enunciate what the end game for GoP/Establishment should be with regards to TTP/EofA. Who is Pakistan supposed to talk to and what it is that we have to surrender to the Taliban so we can have peace in both KPK and Balochistan?

Every time I ask this, a convoluted, confused response comes tying in historical charges (well your military created the monster etc. etc.). My own reading is that even people in KPK are out of ideas on this situation.

 

[Meengla]

There is no talking with TTP/EofA because that has been tried not once, but multiple times. Their ultimate goal is talibanization of Pakistan. If that is acceptable to PTI In KPK, it isn't to the rest of the country.

I don't think the people in KPK would accept the Taliban rule. They maybe very socially conservative but they had seen what happened in Malakand Division in late 2000s when the Taliban were tacitly given power there.

Therein lies the challenge. There is not one member here who has been able to clearly enunciate what the end game for GoP/Establishment should be with regards to TTP/EofA. Who is Pakistan supposed to talk to and what it is that we have to surrender to the Taliban so we can have peace in both KPK and Balochistan?

My friend: The terrorists in KPK were crushed and there was the best peace from 2016-2020 years. The terrorists got a lot of oxygen when the Americans left from Afghanistan in 2021 and have been given oxygen by the Messiah Khan's implicit support to them. But no more tolerance of that. Pakistani state needs to crush them again.

Every time I ask this, a convoluted, confused response comes tying in historical charges (well your military created the monster etc. etc.). My own reading is that even people in KPK are out of ideas on this situation.

Not only you'd see such responses but also blackmail about another East Pakistan. The Messiah Khan himself eulogizes Mujib ur Rehman in care words. And you can see his cultists in this forum repeating such narrative. Some are even in this thread just a few posts above mine.