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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%

  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%

  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%
  • Total voters
    112
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Forsvaret said:
. There was hardly any strong communist base in the country who’d ask Soviet Union
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some members here that were alive then literally discussed this yesterday how communism was appearing in Pakistan at that time
 
Forsvaret said:
Because communists in power in Afghanistan asked Soviet Union to intervene as they were about to lose power to another anti-communist faction in their country. 🙄
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yeah sure man because they were such good friends .
 
Due to Imran Khan’s extreme narcissism and his tendency to sideline every capable party member, PTI has become little more than a headless chicken, aimlessly crashing into walls. Instead of focusing on the development of KPK............. the province that elected them for a third consecutive term ............ they’ve chosen to divert their energy and resources into a futile battle against the state.

Mark my words: if they continue down this path (and they most likely will), they will lose their majority support in KPK as well. The shift has already begun , even the youth, once their strongest base, is starting to turn away.

and no matter how far PTI supporters burry their head in the sand , the reality will not change.
 
F.O.X said:
Due to Imran Khan’s extreme narcissism and his tendency to sideline every capable party member, PTI has become little more than a headless chicken, aimlessly crashing into walls. Instead of focusing on the development of KPK............. the province that elected them for a third consecutive term ............ they’ve chosen to divert their energy and resources into a futile battle against the state.

Mark my words: if they continue down this path (and they most likely will), they will lose their majority support in KPK as well. The shift has already begun , even the youth, once their strongest base, is starting to turn away.

and no matter how far PTI supporters burry their head in the sand , the reality will not change.
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Nobody asks the question, what has PTI done for KPK and Peshawar?
 
Master Chief said:
Imran Khan does not come first in my calculus, neither does Asim Munir, nor in fact does any one person or any group of persons.

All that matters is the idea and the ideology that underpins the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Whoever cultivates anything that brings harm to this will reap a bitter harvest.
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And what Imran Khan has said or done that's against ideology of Pakistan or Pakistan. Not fighting others wars? Not making others wars ours? I used to listen to Faujeets here and on social media telling us Post IK removal that within 2-3 years, terrorism will be defeated and economy will be restored (bear in mind IK's era was only time when Pakistan achieved 6% growth despite COVID during last 22 years or so) ... and now the same people are telling us that a jailed 73 political leader is the core reason behind terrorism. This is not even laughable, it is outrightly sad. While patriots are waiting for a final victory in war on terror using the same old policy common man on street is waiting for Shehbaz Sharif to announce petrol @ Rs. 70/Liter as he used to suggest IK government in 2020-21. Reality on ground tells us that we are doing far worse now in both cases. 2024 was the bloodiest year for security forces while World Bank has rung alarm bells for economy as well.
 
F.O.X said:
The same can be said about IK and PTI, they are not doing this for the country just because they claim it to be.
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The majority of people of Pakistan who support IK / PTI tell otherwise.
 
Forsvaret said:
What has military establishment done for the country for the past 70+ years? Does anyone ever ask this question?
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Forsvaret said:
What has military establishment done for the country for the past 70+ years? Does anyone ever ask this question?
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1. Ayub Khan Era (1958–1969)​

  • GDP growth averaged 6.8% per year — the highest sustained rate in Pakistan’s history.
  • Industry grew at an impressive 9% annually.
  • Major projects like Mangla Dam, Tarbela Dam, and Indus Basin Treaty implementation were initiated.
  • The Green Revolution boosted agriculture through mechanization and irrigation.
  • Pakistan was recognized internationally — South Korea used Pakistan’s 2nd Five-Year Plan as a model for its own development.

2. Zia-ul-Haq Era (1977–1988)​

  • Despite political restrictions, the economy maintained average GDP growth of 5.9%.
  • Remittances surged due to manpower exports to the Middle East — creating Pakistan’s first major inflow of foreign exchange.
  • The industrial base expanded, inflation remained moderate, and foreign reserves stabilized.
  • Investment in defense manufacturing also led to the development of local industries (e.g., Heavy Industries Taxila, Kamra Aviation Complex).

3. Pervez Musharraf Era (1999–2008)​

  • Pakistan saw its highest economic growth since the 1980s, averaging 6.3% annually (2002–2007).
  • Foreign reserves increased from $300 million to over $16 billion.
  • FDI rose from $300 million to $5 billion — a 15x increase.
  • Poverty declined from 34% to around 17%.
  • IT, telecom, and banking sectors were liberalized and boomed.
  • Infrastructure projects like Gwadar Port, Motorways, and Defense Housing developments expanded urban economies.
  • KSE index grew 10x, from 1,000 points in 2001 to 15,000 by 2007.

Now choose any of your civilian gov performance to compare, its an open challenge. you can choose

PPP
PMLN
PTI
 
Forsvaret said:
Soviets were no threat to Pakistan. There was hardly any strong communist base in the country who’d ask Soviet Union to invade Pakistan like they did in Afghanistan. 🙄
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Afghanistan was and remains a threat to Pakistan because of their fundamental denial of Pakistani sovereignty over our western border, despite written agreements between the then governing regimes in this region (late 19th century). This denial is integral to Afghan national identity politics and will not change until we make it change. All interventions in Afghanistan occur and have occurred against this stark historical context.

Someone mentioned USSR was a potential threat to Pakistan - this is patently true, given the desire of Kabulis to remove our western border, with ANYONE'S assistance who is willing to help them. We have today seen hindutva align with Kabulis on this very issue. The Soviet threat was, at least, on a par with this.

You mentioned Iran, who do have minor border disputes with Kabul, but these are functional disputes (e.g. over river rights), resolved pragmatically for the most part because there is no ideological denial of historically established demarcations.

There are, therefore, ample reasons for Pakistani interest in Kabuli political machinations that are not influenced in the slightest by either the presence or absence of the US bogeyman. In other words, Pakistan does not await instruction from anyone when protecting Pakistani interests. It is baseless conjecture to infer otherwise.
 
PakAl said:
No long term game plan, infact everything is over for PTI. The leadership needs to be wiser and bring IK out. Its more of an ego fight right now. At first Imran Khan had the upper hand when he became PM and removed Pmln, when loosing the NCM the PDM/establishment had the upper hand, IK then started to accuse military/Usa for his removal and he refused to speak to the military, slowly PTI started heavy propaganda and campaign to encourage junior generals to overthrow the senior ones, this then led to May 9th and military then used that as a counter to bring PTI down, they struggled with alot of opposition in all circles, elections happened and PTI was made to loose, IK arrested and now military has the upper hand, they have all the power.

IK and PTI want free and fair elections, to get their mandate and IK out of jail. The military want Imran Khan apology and to admit 9th May and the coup plan against army generals, they may also be asking him to leave Pakistan for a few years. This is the deadlock.
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You make some good points suitable for discussion, but I have opted to no longer participate actively in this thread due to IK's rabid cult followers.
 
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