PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[Meengla]

I blame them fully but Khan koi bacha nahi tha. An Aitchisonian that later went to Oxford. Then was an international cricket star, and a national icon. Then spent years working to build a cancer hospital then decades in politics.
Aur iss saaray exposure ke baad Kya karta hay wo? Marries a Pirni who makes him to go to mazaar to give bhosa.

Yes, well worth pondering the devolution of a once highly educated, well connected, experienced person.

 

[Forsvaret]

there is no point in arguing with cultists.

There is no point in reading the posts of the boot cultists either.

 

[newb3e]

Yes, but claiming that hundreds were killed is a crime as well just to incite chaos.

cutie dont be intellectual dishonest khaki turd

thankyou!

 

[Meengla]

However when (and if) such matters begin to influence his (or anyone else's in a similar position) political/statesman behavior then it is not a private matter anymore because the influence and the subsequent political/statesman behavior effects more than just himself, it effects the populace he's leading.

Right.
As promiscuous as Americans are, when a President receives a BJ in the White House, he nearly lost his Presidency. I am sure everyone knows what I am talking about. Private matters of private citizens are a different thing.
And yet some here are trying hard to ignore the malicious influence of Imran's wife on his decisions.

 

[VCheng]

The cipher was later released by your US investigative publication The Intercept.

Nope. That is just hearsay. Where is the cipher itself? Nowhere.

Some report claims this is what it contains, that is all. There is nothing that confirms its validity.

 

[Olympus81]

Okay, but what has PTI been able to do about it? Not much, which makes their claims of widespread public support ring quite hollow.

You have got a point sir.

But isnt elections the barometer of a political party’s support?

 

[VCheng]

dont be intellectual dishonest

Actually, you are the one making dishonest claims here. The facts show the truth.

 

[ghazi52]

Reserved seats case: Justice Mandokhail says ROs rightly showed 41 candidates as independents​

Nasir Iqbal
November 19, 2025

Supreme Court’s Justice Jamal Khan Mandokhail has observed that returning officers (ROs) correctly prepared lists of 41 candidates during the 2024 general elections, as it was PTI’s decision-makers who compelled them to contest independently.

Justice Mandokhail, a member of the now-defunct Constitutional Bench (CB), made the observation in his additional note in the reserved seats review case. In its June 27 ruling, the CB, by a majority of seven judges, had overturned the earlier SC judgment of July 12, 2024 that had granted reserved seats to the PTI.

While seven judges had accepted all review petitions filed by the ruling coalition parties, three others — including Justice Mandokhail — had partially allowed them, and two had rejected the pleas outright on the first day of the hearing.

Justice Mandokhail had maintained his original July 2024 order of giving 39 seats to PTI, but reviewed the majority judgment to the extent of 41 seats. In his note uploaded on the SC website on Tuesday, the judge detailed the reasoning for his ruling and how the CB could not include all judges who were part of the original bench due to the post-26th Amendment scenario.

“Apparently, it was the PTI’s decision-makers’ decision, which compelled the 41 candidates and others to submit their nomination papers independently,” Justice Mandokhail wrote, adding that the majority of the original SC bench did not “consider this important aspect of the case”.

 

[Forsvaret]

Where is the cipher itself?

At some official ministry in Pakistan. Here you can even read its official number for further validation of its existence:

 

[VCheng]

You have got a point sir.

But isnt elections the barometer of a political party support?

Yes, free and fair elections indeed are a good barometer.

However, it is also reasonable to expect that a truly popular mandate with widespread support cannot really be suppressed, as we have seen that time and again in human history.

Even if we accept that a popular mandate was stolen, just how popular was it really when there has been no widespread protests despite several attempt by PTI to do exactly that?

 

[VCheng]

At some official ministry in Pakistan. Here you can even read its official number for further validation of its existence:
View attachment 160459

ROFL!

The cipher exists, sure. But does it contain a recipe for butter chicken or does it actually say what IK claims? Where is the official transcript that was released?

 

[ghazi52]

The judge noted that to the extent of those 41 candidates, the ROs “correctly prepared [a] list of contesting candidates while drawing Form-33, showing them as independents” and those 41 individuals then joined the Sunni Ittehad Council (SIC) by exercising their right provided under Article 51 (6d) of the Constitution.

Justice Mandokhail pointed out that the 41 candidates had declared themselves as independents in their nomination papers submitted by Dec 24, 2023, which was before the January 2024 SC verdict that revoked the PTI’s bat symbol — the same judgment that PTI argued led to “peculiar circumstances” and therefore the independent declarations.

PTI’s Salman Akram Raja said that the party “administration had decided that the candidates should submit their nomination papers independently to avoid any unwarranted situation”, the note recalled.

“They did not claim to be affiliated with PTI nor showed their intention to leave SIC and join any other party. Under such circumstances, how could it be presumed that their declaration as independent candidates was on account of that judgment?” Justice Mandokhail said.

He added that if Raja’s contention about peculiar circumstances was “believed to be correct, a question arises as to how those 39 returned candidates and the number of others who lost elections, submitted their nomination papers declaring themselves as PTI’s candidates?”

However, about the 39 PTI-backed people who had submitted their party nomination papers, Justice Mandokhail maintained that the ROs and the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) had “mis-exercised their jurisdiction by declaring the PTI’s 39 affiliated candidates as independents [and] by refusing to allot reserved seats to PTI on the strength of its affiliated returned candidates”.

Headed by Justice Aminuddin Khan then, the CB, through a short order on June 27, had overturned the July 12, 2024 majority judgment that declared the PTI eligible for reserved seats for women and non-Muslims in the national and provincial assemblies.

 

[Meengla]

Nope. That is just hearsay. Where is the cipher itself? Nowhere.
Some report claims this is what it contains, that is all. There is nothing that confirms its validity.

Right.
But for ONE YEAR, the clown was allowed to carry the cypher in his hand to create a 'narrative' like 'Absolutely Not', 'Imported Government', 'Haqeeqi Azadi [Real Freedom]' blah blah. That surely appealed to the anti-Americanism in Pakistanis and thus a guy, who was so unpopular by the time the NCM came that he had not even called early elections, became popular. And some time later, Imran in his interviews sidestepped questions about the cypher. And then, of course, his sons publicly asked for American help to rescue Imran; the sons said America was their 'main hope'!!

 

[ghazi52]

Majority of CB refused ‘best solution’ on way to include original bench judges​

In his additional note, Justice Mandokhail also touched upon the matter of not being able to include judges from the SC bench that gave the original July 2024 verdict.

He noted that after the 26th Amendment, the CB was specifically authorised to hear constitutional matters and hence, a 13-member CB was formed out of the 15 judges nominated by the Judicial Commission of Pakistan (JCP). The bench excluded Justices Shakeel Ahmad and Ishtiaq Ibrahim as they were part of the Peshawar High Court bench whose order had been challenged.

While the judge stated it was “not practicable” to fix the petitions before the same bench that had delivered the judgment under review, he noted that the purpose of fixing the review pleas before the same judges was “to ensure judicial continuity and consistency”.

“There is no bar upon the JCP to nominate all judges of the Supreme Court,” Justice Mandokhail maintained.

“In order to make it practicable to fix these CRPs (civil review petitions) before the same bench, I proposed that the matter be referred to the JCP to nominate the rest of the members of the original bench,” he wrote, as that would allow the constitutional committee to reconstitute the CB and include the original bench’s judges.

“Had the matter been referred to the JCP, the [Supreme Court Rules] of 1980 could have been implemented within the parameters of the Constitution. It was the best solution to resolve the problem, which would have fostered public trust and confidence in the judiciary.

“However, the majority members of the CB did not agree and decided to proceed with the matter through the available members nominated by the JCP,” Justice Mandokhail revealed.

 

[Forsvaret]

Where is the official transcript that was released?

You mean by The Intercept? Because govt of Pakistan is legally bound to not release it due to some Secrecy Act.