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[Watandar]

yes but hes is supposed to be the next quad according to you guys , and i love hoiw you deflected the question

what i mean is ik is the same as every other Pakistani politician , there was time when nawazoo also stood up to military . nothing different about him

Yeah Nawaz also stood up for a bit before he sat down again. Zulfiqar Bhutto, Benazir Bhutto, Fatima Jinnah, many others also stood upto the jackboots and held steadfast. Imran Khan has joined that list. What is the problem ?

Are you the type of Pakistani who is waiting for the absolute perfect leader to descend from the heavens ?

 

[PakAl]

"Shahadat, Shahadat, Shahadat!". [Martyrdom]. Imran's sister chanting in a group!
Stop saying these things again and again, please! My libations are too precious to cough out from laughing!

I agree. We have the islamist who shout these types of slogans and then some gullible ones end up actually getting shaheed, those who scream slogans never do it. I am disappointed that noone from Pti senior leadership is calling for de-escalation, they should be working hard to get IK released.

 

[PakSword]

Yeah Nawaz also stood up for a bit before he sat down again. Zulfiqar Bhutto, Benazir Bhutto, Fatima Jinnah, many others also stood upto the jackboots and held steadfast. Imran Khan has joined that list. What is the problem ?

Are you the type of Pakistani who is waiting for the absolute perfect leader to descend from the heavens ?

That's what I don't understand.. both bhutto and nawazu pujaris say that Imran was brought by the establishment. Imagine the irony.

 

[unconventional]

If OBL was in Pakistan without the knowledge of our institutions, I have serious doubts on even my existence.

And if you say that Taliban took over Afghanistan without Pakistan's help, then believe that they are here to stay. Pakistan won't be able to do much about them.

About the OBL, there isn’t anything new to be said that hasn’t already been said.

About the WOT, as I mentioned, there was no double game from Pakistan. Pakistan was managing the volatile and fluid situation at its western border.

This was compounded by US/ISAF forces in Afghanistan, a shared ethnic group (Pashtuns) in Eastern Afghanistan-Western Pakistan and porous borders. Also very high anti Americanism in Pakistan and support for the Afghan Taliban, especially the western regions of Pakistan.

Pakistan was actually very open with the limitations of what it could or couldn’t do in the WOT with the US. The US was just frustrated Pakistan didnt go all out to actively eradicate the Afghan Taliban, which some US people labeled as playing a double game.

It did not play a double game in Afghanistan. The Pakistani military never actively supported the Taliban against the US; and knew the US would leave the region, creating the mess and dumping on Pakistan to handle it. Hence, it supported a negotiated end to the WOT.

 

[Watandar]

I agree. We have the islamist who shout these types of slogans and then some gullible ones end up actually getting shaheed, those who scream slogans never do it. I am disappointed that noone from Pti senior leadership is calling for de-escalation, they should be working hard to get IK released.

Imran Khan will be released as a gesture to PTI when the foreign pressure builds up. Think of Mr Zardari who was released once Musharraf was in deep trouble and was being pressured by the US to come to a deal with Bhutto.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Yeah Nawaz also stood up for a bit before he sat down again. Zulfiqar Bhutto, Benazir Bhutto, Fatima Jinnah, many others also stood upto the jackboots and held steadfast. Imran Khan has joined that list. What is the problem ?

yes that is my exact point , he is just another puppet leader who will switch sides when it suites him .

Are you the type of Pakistani who is waiting for the absolute perfect leader to descend from the heavens ?

no

 

[PakSword]

About the OBL, there isn’t anything new to be said that hasn’t already been said.

About the WOT, as I mentioned, there was no double game from Pakistan. Pakistan was managing the volatile and fluid situation at its western border.

This was compounded by US/ISAF forces in Afghanistan, a shared ethnic group (Pashtuns) in Eastern Afghanistan-Western Pakistan and porous borders. Also very high anti Americanism in Pakistan and support for the Afghan Taliban, especially the western regions of Pakistan.

Pakistan was actually very open with the limitations of what it could or couldn’t do in the WOT with the US. The US was just frustrated Pakistan didnt go all out to actively eradicate the Afghan Taliban, which some US people labeled as playing a double game.

It did not play a double game in Afghanistan. The Pakistani military never actively supported the Taliban against the US; and knew the US would leave the region, creating the mess and dumping on Pakistan to handle it. Hence, it supported a negotiated end to the WOT.

Oh Allah ke wastay Yaar!

 

[Meengla]

You see we humans like to be part of something, like a tribe and those youth who were frustrated with Ppp and Pmln suddenly found a saviour, a purpose in their lives. Our elders fell for Nawaz Sharif charisma and Benazir the innocent beti of Zulfiqar, kaum ki beti educated from Oxford.

Your long post is thoughtful, as usual. And you are probably going to be right about Pakistanis finding another savior some years down the road. But the main difference--and it is EXTREMELY important to understand: The old Bhutto and Sharif clans have learned to 'adapt' under the circumstances, and they have learned to incorporate some 'lessons' they have learned. Starting with General Zia's Martial Law in 1977, power in Pakistan has changed hands many times with often brutal loss of power, exile, incarcerations, and even torture and deaths. But those two parties have 'adapted' and more importantly, they have learned to live with each other and they have also created at least a semblance of 'collective wisdom'.
I can sense you have a soft spot for Imran but I have no hesitation in saying this: Imran is simply incapable to 'adapt' or to be open to 'collective wisdom'. It in the very fabric of his toxic, twisted personality.

 

[hasssanali8998]

The US was just frustrated Pakistan didnt go all out to actively eradicate the Afghan Taliban,

we should have done that tbh .

 

[unconventional]

Oh Allah ke wastay Yaar!

You never answered this question of mine:

Now you answer my question; is it suitable for Imran Khan to gaslight victims of terrorism, saying he won’t be blackmailed into visiting them; whereas speaking on behalf of TTP terrorists?

 

[hasssanali8998]

Imran Khan will be released as a gesture to PTI when the foreign pressure builds up. Think of Mr Zardari who was released once Musharraf was in deep trouble and was being pressured by the US to come to a deal with Bhutto.

yes as he should be .

 

[Watandar]

yes that is my exact point , he is just another puppet leader who will switch sides when it suites him .

But he is not behaving like a good little puppet that's what has scared jernails and ruined their night sleep lol.

 

[Meengla]

KPK always stood wrong side of history and everyone in Pakistan have that " Let it go, they are not all bad people " attitude towards them but given how Pushtoons of Pakistan has killed more Pakistani's than India/America/Thanos combined, so people of KPK supporting IK doesn't surprise me, when people have innate bias and racism embedded from the day they are born, they are taught to hate other Pakistani's and culture where violence is not only supported but Glorified, than IK support base from those areas doesn't surprise me one bit.

Javed Chaudhry, a senior analyst is saying that the 'Pathan Card' is not going to work for Imran Khan as much as he wants to play that. Also, per Javed, Imran is a Punjabi who knows maybe a few words of Pashtu and Imran's politics is doomed if he ignores Punjab, where he has considerable support.
But, hey, as long as Imran tries, he is India's hero!!

 

[VCheng]

Your long post is thoughtful, as usual. And you are probably going to be right about Pakistanis finding another savior some years down the road. But the main difference--and it is EXTREMELY important to understand: The old Bhutto and Sharif clans have learned to 'adapt' under the circumstances, and they have learned to incorporate some 'lessons' they have learned. Starting with General Zia's Martial Law in 1977, power in Pakistan has changed hands many times with often brutal loss of power, exile, incarcerations, and even torture and deaths. But those two parties have 'adapted' and more importantly, they have learned to live with each other and they have also created at least a semblance of 'collective wisdom'.
I can sense you have a soft spot for Imran but I have no hesitation in saying this: Imran is simply incapable to 'adapt' or to be open to 'collective wisdom'. It in the very fabric of his toxic, twisted personality.

One must keep in mind that it does not matter who is right or who is wrong in real-life politics.

It is only a matter of who plays it better than the others.

Thus far, it is definitely not IK who is playing better than the others playing the same game.

 

[PakSword]

yes that is my exact point , he is just another puppet leader who will switch sides when it suites him .

Bhai Jan,
After the recent changes in the current constitution, even nawazu and zardaris can't even go to the washrooms of president and prime ministers houses. There are no sides remaining.