PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[SaadH]

Aap marwado sab ko.

No need for an inqilaab.

My gut feel says that too much power is disastrous. Now the history will take its own course.

Besides, Pakistani nation doesn't have that courage (myself included). I ran away Bhai.. baqion ko bhi yehi mashwara hai

For average Pakistani in Pakistan, only way to survive and thrive is to "zinda bhaag Pakistan say"

Wonder why all overseas f@ujeets not running back to stay in the land of milk and honey that duffers have turned Pakistani into after ousting IK...

 

[Meengla]

Fine.. but kuchh tou achi qualities bhi rahi hongi banday main?

Mere Bhai! And this is addressed not only to you but to all other Imran supporters here: How many times I have said that Imran is a toxic personalitily like Nawaz and Altaf? I generally don't condemn people like that. I have been here for along time and only when I come to such drastic conclusions then I say such drastic things.
I ABSOLUTELY don't see any redeeming qualities from the likes of Imran, Nawaz and Altaf Hussein. And I have been consistent on my views.

 

[Unknown987]

The PTI and IK are suffering because the Generals wants to save the corruption tolla and keep Pakistanis as a slave for ever.

 

[SaadH]

A message for the young people. Back in 1986 1988 Benazir came back from exiled, she promised Naya Pakistan, the time for Pakistani awaam is near, all our elders were young then, they all believed it and were excited, but waited and waited and it was still old Pakistan. Something to think about, the politicians at times make big statements but holds no real meaning. Our elders till today kept Bhutto alive but the new generation they considered Ppp as mafia corrupt party. Soon the time can change, we don't know what the next generation will want in 20 years. So please everyone take it easy, try to work for Pakistan first, keep peace, safety, education in mind. Reject anyone who wants to create division, hatred and war.
@Meengla must of been in the crowd

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She didn't promise jack $hit and did even far worse, only empty hollow roti kapra makan BS that her uber corrupt tyrant father cooked up and she followed in her father's footsteps. Destroyed institutions like PIA with jiayla bharti, was first hand witness to village idiots from interior Sindh made officers in PIA. She and her husband engaged in full blown corruption and were duly dismissed.

 

[Meengla]

He mentioned we all need to sit with the establishment and ask them what powers do they want, then we can all move on and focus on governance without any political interference from them. He is hinting powers such as foreign and internal policy, international relations and like the powers given to curren

Even a smart person like you give too much credit to an intellectual midget like Imran Khan.
Everything about Imran boils down to a very STUPID guy propped up by some elements of the Establishment of Pakistan and that project failed. I don't know why you can't see that Imran and Benazir Bhutto were compatriots in Oxford University: She rose to become a leader of the Oxford Student Union while Immy the Dimmy got to Oxford on some 'sports quota' and didn't distinguish in anything.
A little reading on the 'history' of the Messiah Khan might help the fanbois, if there ears even open??

 

[SaadH]

I went to Pakistan a few days back for a couple of days.. the connection was from Muscat..

In the plane from Muscat to KHI, there were 76 deportees.. most of them were bhikaris caught from KSA. I was sitting with one of them, he told me he was not a professional.. it was difficult for him to survive..

This post is for those who think Pakistan's economy is running very well.

See any f@ujeets on the plane running back to bask in the glory of the surging economy made possible by Field Mouse Hazrat Hafiz Ghulam Ahmed Munira Mistry Alehay Salam?

 

[SaadH]

Coming soon in shaa Allah in Pakistan..

I will vote for Asim Munir only if he makes more provinces. He will die one day.. IK will also die of course.. but additional provinces will break the power of Sharifs and Zardaris forever..

This one thing if he does for Pakistan, it will be enough for him to clear his name from everything.. I know everyone will disagree with me.. but that's my opinion.

Without Karachi province Zardari ain't going no where and Munira Mistry and his merry band of duffer generals will never make a Karachi province.

 

[Watandar]

I wouldn’t want the public to go the dharna route, honestly. If history is to go by, protests similar to May / November would result in violence and more deaths on the streets with no accountability.

Only way is the ballot box, no matter how rigged it would be.

Voting in rigged elections merely provides legitimacy to an outlaw setup. It will never result in changing the system. Pakistani establishment only responds to bribery or pressure. Dharnas are one way to create this pressure.

Yes the establishment jackals have been shooting at protests and marches and also kidnapping and detaining people to prevent them from participating in dharnas.

So people cut back on dharnas for time being and switch to electronic media and foreign lobbying to press their cause, but still establishment is unhappy and howls incessantly.

 

[Oscar]

Sir
what is your analysis of the current/latest situation.....kindly share where we heading with all this topi drama by both the pti and military. What are we looking at now?

No wonder nobody in the world trusts us or our stability (the lack of it basically) and don't want anything to do with Pak. The mil is actively only engaged with the americans to do their dirty work in the region, for some $$ and scraps....

werna kehne ko to sab kuch khatam ho hee chuka hai (economy, governance, healthcare, employment, basic necessities).....

I cannot offer any "analysis" other than when two parties dig into hardline stances based on ego, when extreme statements come to say one side is crazy or one side asking for fighting with India against their standing army...there either will eventually be greater repercussions in further ethnic fissures in the state or a further push to that side may push sanity in ways not imagined.

Technically, IK no longer has much to lose because no matter what you say imprisonment either creates Mandela's or Mussolinis. So far it seems the pendulum can swing either way.

More importantly, unless there is Morsi level quick squashing -- the timeframe of which is gone for the establishment - you will create either a PPP level Bhutto or you will create a Mujib ur Rahman.

Take your pick.

Those taking temperatures of Islamabad, Rawalpindi or Karachi on this matter are utter fools no matter on the forum, in uniform or out of it.
Take temperatures in FATA.

 

[SaadH]

I think its v faulty logic to think establishment can keep a few subjects to itself like foreign policy and interior ministry and the rest the civilians can run. The right hand must know what the left hand is doing. There has to be a single entity in charge and in the rest of the world and history also testifies that entity should be civilians.

I think Mr Khaqan Abbasi and Mr Khokhar have good intentions for bringing people together to discuss and resolve issues but there is no use trying to find some third way or exotic arrangement.

You will have to cut the establishment down to size and permanently banish them from governance and the economy. If that is not possible then the mess you see today is what Pakistan will be 78 years from now as well.

That's completely impractical given that the duffers have cleverly wrap themselves around economy of Pakistan like an albatross with their fauji foundation and DHA's which renders any independent civilian PM/leader untenable given that a monopolistic business model of a $200 billion enterprise is at stake. An independent PM can never run country's economy optimally without infringing on duffers' freeload bread and butter.

 

[airhead]

Mere Bhai! And this is addressed not only to you but to all other Imran supporters here: How many times I have said that Imran is a toxic personalitily like Nawaz and Altaf? I generally don't condemn people like that. I have been here for along time and only when I come to such drastic conclusions then I say such drastic things.
I ABSOLUTELY don't see any redeeming qualities from the likes of Imran, Nawaz and Altaf Hussein. And I have been consistent on my views.

It is irrelevant whether IK is toxic or not or what your opinion is of him. This is very simple ..it is a battle between statusquo people who want to keep things the way they are today vs people who want radical change ..you decide who belongs where

 

[Xestan]

That is the global perception..

Can you quote me a source to this global perception?

 

[Oscar]

Yaar chacha aap ki koi post Imran bashing ke baghair hoti hai?

Imran ne blunders kiey.. Uss ki govt. chali gaee.. aur woh last two years se jail main hai and your murshids are at the helm of affairs.. Talk about them more than Imran..

Imran Imran Imran Imran. Ya phir sirf cultists cultists cultists cultists.. Try to add some value with your comments.. You are ma shaa Allah a senior citizen if I am not wrong.. Allah aap ko aur lambi umar, lekin aqal ke saath ata farmaey.. Ameen

As you through history you will find (regardless of right or wrong in terms of better options) - when faced with a fight for rights or security under a known devil - a certain section of people will choose a known devil.

Back in the American revolution, British "loyalists" and those erring caution would use statements such as "Better to answer to one tyrant 3000 miles away than to 3000 rabble 15 miles away" or "Better to be subservient under a lion instead of letting rats decide our fate". Even those in the middle ground asking for more independence instead of total revolution were lumped by the revolutionaries, drummed out, beaten , ridiculed and refused to be listen to.

So while one side goes cultist and I do agree to an extent, there is also PTI one who have nothing other than **** or constant derision of the military(rather than being able to distinguish the establishment from it) and refuse to even have half a civil discussion as soon as even the slightest disagreement is felt.

Each side accusing the other of serious crimes here. I am not even offering a verdict on who is more responsible since contextually the establishment has more history so the PTI could claim to represent(just as PML(N) and PPP have and MQM has and others have in the past) the continuation of the fight against tyranny. But unless those "transgressions" are confined to the period of angst alone, the result of this constant butting of egos has has two very likely outcomes:

if the establishment continues to exert force it will leave both central Pakistan and more so KP in more ruin in quasi rebellion and local support for insurgents.
OR
KP will go full civil war.

And I am not forcefully linking PTI with just KP but pointing out that a ethnonationalist narrative(which has cause and reason far beyond the decade or so of PTI) is now spreading on the backs of PTI lawmakers and leaders which has the potential to create a serious uprising if the constant "You shall get no quarter" on both sides continues.

IK is no longer capable of being informed or carries the judgement to make good decisions. That does not automatically imply that the current cabal and setup have any better capabilities or intentions - but that in such a blind leading the blind fighting the one eyed devil - everyone else will burn.

 

[ziaulislam]

The only thing i dont get is why family?

Look you put IK in jail makes sense but no Pakistani dictator was stupid enough to target family without long term planning why?
Because they know what goes around comes around, so sure Ik Will die in 10-15 years in jail but his sisters and wife especially that are in jail arent that old and ultimately they will want blood, and trust me the ball wont stop at the chief, all the corps commanders will be under fire too, so I guess all of them have retirement plans made already or are they thinking they will forever keep the martial law.

Last time they made a deal with benezair put at that time they washed hands, will they able to wash hands, its not one person here its a whole bunch of military men and commanders.
Hence the only logical explanation is they have to destroy PTI completely in Kpk, that can only happen with governor raj and military operations

Hence why i bought this up that people thought it was ludricous to believe in 1960s that india will patner with bengalis who spare headed the 1947 movement more then we/Punjab did. But a few years of military op and the unthinkable happened

 

[F.O.X]

Even a smart person like you give too much credit to an intellectual midget like Imran Khan.
Everything about Imran boils down to a very STUPID guy propped up by some elements of the Establishment of Pakistan and that project failed. I don't know why you can't see that Imran and Benazir Bhutto were compatriots in Oxford University: She rose to become a leader of the Oxford Student Union while Immy the Dimmy got to Oxford on some 'sports quota' and didn't distinguish in anything.
A little reading on the 'history' of the Messiah Khan might help the fanbois, if there ears even open??

The myth of Imran Khan only survives because people never examine his actual record or qualifications. Strip away the slogans and the manufactured hero image, and what remains is a man who was never intellectually equipped to lead a complex nuclear state.

For over 20 years, he refused to build a team, avoided specialists, and surrounded himself with sycophants. Whenever an actual expert joined PTI, they left within months. His economic team collapsed because he did not understand the policies they were proposing. His own finance minister said repeatedly that Imran had no grasp of economics.

His governance proves the point even more. Under his rule, circular debt doubled, tax reforms died, exports stagnated again after the temporary global spike, and Pakistan returned to the IMF because he froze fuel prices for political optics. He attacked every institution that did not praise him, from the judiciary to the ECP. No serious leader behaves like that.

Most importantly, the entire “IK is independent and visionary” narrative collapses when you remember how he came into power. He was manufactured, supported, protected and presented as a messiah by the same system his fans now blame. The project collapsed not because of conspiracy but because the product was weak.

The truth is simple. Some elements of the establishment miscalculated. They underestimated the damage an unprepared, impulsive, poorly informed leader could cause. Pakistan paid the price in political polarization, economic instability, and international isolation.

People glorify him because they confuse confidence with competence, speeches with strategy, and celebrity with leadership. Once you remove the emotional attachment, his shortcomings become obvious.