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[meh_analysis]

I'm sorry for wasting time. Tbh I couldn't have a solid position and could not bring factual evidence to the table thus making my argument worthless. I'll leave by just telling my stance, I support IK because his battle helps Pakistan go towards a more democratic state by closing off windows for external forces to not control it's governance.

 

[VCheng]

I support IK because his battle helps Pakistan go towards a more democratic state by closing off windows for external forces to not control it's governance.

That is fine. Support whomever you like for whatever logic works for you. It is your right.

Others have the right to their own opinions, that is all.

 

[Watandar]

It's okay by me. IK got what he deserved for telling this "truth". I can accept that just fine.

Nice of you to finally confess to accepting Imran Khan innocence in cipher case. You had to be dragged kicking and screaming towards the truth.

 

[VCheng]

Nice of you to finally confess to accepting Imran Khan innocence in cipher case. You had to be dragged kicking and screaming towards the truth.

Ah yes, whatever works for you is fine by me. I have no need to prove anything.

The facts speak for themselves.

 

[Forsvaret]

That is because he left himself with nothing to negotiate with…

False! General Bajwa kept meeting Imran Khan post VONC. Establishment kept offering him this & that in return for him calling off his mass public protests. But he refused all those "offers".

 

[Forsvaret]

Ask ANY legal expert in the world who knows Parliamentary democracy and the verdict on the NCM vote would be swift against Imran.

It WAS swift! Don’t you remember how the country’s top courts were opened late at night to make sure VONC goes as planned by the military establishment, US and PDM?

 

[VCheng]

Establishment kept offering him this & that in return for him calling off his mass public protests.

Assuming you actually know what they talked about somehow, does this explain why there were no mass public protests? Sounds like a muk mukkaa, doesn't it?

 

[Forsvaret]

Yes that was the "backtracking" - Cipher was real, and perhaps even its contents leaked on the internet were also real, but it wasn't a US "imported" conspiracy…

That’s right. The original "conspiracy" was military establishment, PDM and US interests being aligned against PM Imran Khan all at the same time. Thus, he was left with no choice but to leave levers of power. At least, he will be remembered as the last Pakistani PM in office with real power unlike the establishment backed clown we got since then with his: "Pooch Kay Bataoonga" BS!

 

[Forsvaret]

Let us call it what it is - IK just plain LIED about the cipher…

You have still got to prove that by quoting the transcript of that original cipher — which the govt of Pakistan never released in public!

 

[hnn]

Was every case in entire legal history of Pakistan overturned for you to make such universal declarations ? No.

My argument remains the same, the facts and court verdict prove Imran Khan innocent in the cipher case.

Your insistence on universal extrapolations from one case is what lacks facts and logic, hence the sophistry.

Using your own argument, the very same verdict is not FINAL and can be overruled hence "he's not FINALLY innocent"

Using your argument if he's innocent in the Cipher Case because of the judicial verdict, then SS is also innocent in the Corruption Cases because of judicial verdict

Sophistry or whatever, pick a side, these are your arguments not mine

 

[Watandar]

Using your own argument, the very same verdict is not FINAL and can be overruled hence "he's not FINALLY innocent"

Using your argument if he's innocent in the Cipher Case because of the judicial verdict, then SS is also innocent in the Corruption Cases because of judicial verdict

Sophistry or whatever, pick a side, these are your arguments not mine

Your assumption that the verdict in cipher case will be overturned is faulty, unless you possess knowledge of ilm-e-ghaib.

Is that true ? You can tell what cases will be filed in the future AND their verdict ?

Thats how ridiculous you sound.

 

[hnn]

Thus, he was left with no choice but to leave levers of power. At least, he will be remembered as the last Pakistani PM in office with real power

Yes he left the levers very gracefully by trying to pull what Gen Musharraf pulled last i.e. subverting the constitution - however, it wasn't 1999, so he kind a just left the levers rather embarrassingly

unlike the establishment backed clown we got since then with his: "Pooch Kay Bataoonga" BS!

Yes those clowns deserve their own thread, this one is for PTI and it's leadership

 

[hnn]

Your assumption that the verdict in cipher case will be overturned is faulty, unless you possess knowledge of ilm-e-ghaib.

Is that true ? You can tell what cases will be filed in the future AND their verdict ?

Thats how ridiculous you sound.

Sir, it's not my argument, you're the one who said "not final" because verdicts can be overruled.

So far verdicts in favor of SS hasn't been overruled either so apply the same principle to him as well.

Otherwise it's just hypocrisy - which is even below than any sophistry I can ever come up with.

 

[Forsvaret]

Assuming you actually know what they talked about somehow, does this explain why there were no mass public protests?

There were mass public protests led by IK himself post VONC. And then there was one that happened in every major city of Pakistan on the night after VONC. It was spontaneous and led by no one. Just a large public gathering in city’s square and singing the anthem of Pakistan:

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[Watandar]

Sir, it's not my argument, you're the one who said "not final" because verdicts can be overruled.

So far verdicts in favor of SS hasn't been overruled either so apply the same principle to him as well.

Otherwise it's just hypocrisy - which is even below than any sophistry I can ever come up with

Every case in Pakistani legal history has not been overturned for you to make such preposterous demands. The acquittal in the Imran Khan cipher case is final as of today.

Every other case is to be judged on its own merits and the effects of the Pakistani environment.