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[hnn]

Every case in Pakistani legal history has not been overturned for you to make such preposterous demands. The acquittal in the Imran Khan cipher case is final as of today.

Every other case is to be judged on its own merits and the effects of the Pakistani environment.

And hence IK is innocent, agreed with you.

Cases of corruption against SS also acquitted him and have not been overruled, so he is innocent too.

That's what Pakistan's Law states. Acquittal is acquittal, whether for IK or SS.

 

[PakAl]

He was inciting a mutiny in the Pakistani military--a crime gone too far even by the low standards of Pakistan's sordid power play. A crime so grave no less than No. 2 most powerful person in Pakistan like General Faiz is facing a Court Martial.

Faiz Hameed case is the most shocking, he is recently retired ISI chief, definitely a professional man, was close to General Bajwa aswell. I don't think he would go for mutiny, most likely gave inside info to Imran Khan, and IK himself mentioned someone inside from army/agency is helping/giving him info. Pmln leaders replied that whoever is helping IK will not be able to help him, they are retired etc then army went after those who leaked info, he did have good relations with Imran khan aswell so probably gave alot of political support, all ISI chiefs and generals do this, everyone have their own favourites.

 

[Respect4Respect]

You have still got to prove that by quoting the transcript of that original cipher — which the govt of Pakistan never released in public!

They refuse to trust The Intercept and won’t even challenge it legally but they admire The Economist as though it were written by angels.
I was laughing yesterday realizing how Epstein’s anti Imran Khan views are conveniently ignored. But if he had sided with IK, the forum would have descended into chaos and the narrative of a "confirmed Yahoodi agent" would have dominated through every thread. They’d even abandon Asim Munir’s newfound love for Netanyahu and turn their outrage against Israel itself just to keep their obsession alive.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Is breaking the Constitution and selling Pakistani citizens for money your definition of "national progress" ?

That's all in your brainwashed head.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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fooling the f out of pathans but after gandupur if there is no action then PTI chapter in KPK will be gone for good.

 

[VCheng]

You have still got to prove that by quoting the transcript of that original cipher

Nope. I did NOT make any claims. IK made a claim. HE has the burden of providing proof. And he failed to do so, even until this day.

 

[VCheng]

There were mass public protests led by IK himself post VONC. And then there was one that happened in every major city of Pakistan on the night after VONC. It was spontaneous and led by no one. Just a large public gathering in city’s square and singing the anthem of Pakistan:

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And then there were "talks", and everything fizzled out. Public outrage suddenly was nowhere to be seen. IK ran out of room to maneuver and was cornered, where he is today. Pretty logical progression.

 

[Meengla]

And then there were "talks", and everything fizzled out. Public outrage suddenly was nowhere to be seen. IK ran out of room to maneuver and was cornered, where he is today. Pretty logical progression.

This is, or at least was, a very pro Imran forum. Look at the result of the Poll in this thread: 75% think PTI has no future without Imran. Sad, isn't it, that after the so-called '22 years of political struggle', the guy couldn't groom a proper team or a protege.

 

[PakAl]

Bottom line is that this was another classic Pakistani power game between Imran and some Generals; in that, some Generals, for their own and Imran's benefits, were working with Imran and some wanted to be totally neutral, and some were against Imran.

Any idea where current Field Marshal Asim Munir Shah sahib stood. Gen Bajwa was neutral and apolitical, Gen Faiz Hameed as alleged was pro Pti.

 

[VCheng]

This is, or at least was, a very pro Imran forum. Look at the result of the Poll in this thread: 75% think PTI has no future without Imran. Sad, isn't it, that after the so-called '22 years of political struggle', the guy couldn't groom a proper team or a protege.

Again, it simply does not matter, at least to me. Reality still rules, and I cannot be intimidated into silence, only banned, for whatever cause the management may wish to find, whenever they wish to do so.

They do have the right to run their forum as they see fit. I will always respect that right, even though I do not agree with many of their decisions and policies.

(Even you were upset at me in the other thread, but what I said there remains as close to the reality as it exists, not as what this forum would like to enforce. It will take some more time and suffering for people to recognize what I said there is painfully true.)

I called out the military then and I still do so now, but I also call out IK for what he is in reality, not as burger bachas in social media echo chambers see him, and the same goes for all the other clowns put into and removed from office by the military over the years.

Such is the life of those who have nothing but the voice of sanity, reason and truth on their side, whether it is popular or not, no matter how direct the uncivilized name-calling and vile attacks and slander is encouraged to be thrown at my person.

Back on topic with your specific comment:

I said it openly that Pakistan was bigger than one man back when people were fanning hysteria that Pakistan would break up if IK was removed from power.

And here we are today, still.

 

[Forsvaret]

Nope. I did NOT make any claims. IK made a claim. HE has the burden of providing proof. And he failed to do so, even until this day.

You claimed IK lied about the contents of the cipher. When a copy of that cipher was shared with US investigative journal The Intercept, its contents matched with IK’s claims. Now where is your proof that IK lied about the contents of that cipher?

 

[Forsvaret]

And then there were "talks", and everything fizzled out. Public outrage suddenly was nowhere to be seen. IK ran out of room to maneuver and was cornered…

IK wasn’t "cornered". He simply refused to use the public protests as bait for military establishment’s violence practice. That’s when they resorted to assassinate Imran Khan directly during a protest march to Rawalpindi but failed in that endeavor as well.

 

[Forsvaret]

Any idea where current Field Marshal Asim Munir Shah sahib stood. Gen Bajwa was neutral and apolitical, Gen Faiz Hameed as alleged was pro Pti.

And Hazrat Asim Muneer is pro PDM. What’s the big deal? They all have their favorites while claiming to be "neutral".

 

[Forsvaret]

I called out the military then and I still do so now…

Nah, all you do now is post anti-Imran propaganda 99 percent of the time.

 

[VCheng]

its contents matched with IK’s claims.

An unverified claim that matches another claim is never proof just because you want it to do so..

What does the actual cipher say?

Even IK said later that actually it was NOT the Americans, but Gen Bajwa who had him kicked out of power, proving in his OWN words that he lied about what it said initially.