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[baqai]

This is the key.

IK's support is often claimed to be widespread, but somehow it never translates into that in reality. If enough people do actually come out and show their support for IK to the extent that it is claimed, no one can keep him in jail, no matter what.

majority of them are mu kai fire, they can tweet, youtube and insta (where they earn money with click bait thumbnails lying through every bodily opening), i would like to see the likes of shahbaz gill, imran riaz, adil raja and others to come back and fight instead of encouraging kids of others to go out and be in trouble.

PTI is modified version of MQM with the difference is that former had real street power with thugs while the later have cyber bullies.

Mind you, both the parties have decent royal followers who don't indulge in anything wrong but are given a bad name courtesy of leadership and certain bad thugs

 

[VCheng]

Right.
And I think it is an insult to the mandate of other parties who have been around for many decades, who have their own support base and to deny that the current Parliament doesn't have significant people mandate.

It is okay. Showing support for one leader should never be taken as an insult to any other leader. The only thing that must never be done is to pick and choose whatever results elections return.

Like one result, like them ALL. Reject one result, reject them ALL. No matter who wins.

 

[VCheng]

majority of them are mu kai fire, they can tweet, youtube and insta (where they earn money with click bait thumbnails lying through every bodily opening), i would like to see the likes of shahbaz gill, imran riaz, adil raja and others to come back and fight instead of encouraging kids of others to go out and be in trouble.

PTI is modified version of MQM with the difference is that former had real street power with thugs while the later have cyber bullies.

Mind you, both the parties have decent royal followers who don't indulge in anything wrong but are given a bad name courtesy of leadership and certain bad thugs

A typical national trait: talk a lot, do very little, achieve exactly zero. Nothing new here.

 

[Meengla]

It is okay. Showing support for one leader should never be taken as an insult to any other leader. The only thing that must never be done is to pick and choose whatever results elections return.
Like one result, like them ALL. Reject one result, reject them ALL. No matter who wins.

I don't insult PTI's vote bank but I judge it insulting when Imran's followers deny the vote bank the other parties have and that vote bank, when combined, is very substantial. I give Imran the right to have the power in K-P and I wish them best luck in making that province peaceful and prosperous. On national level, No, I don't think they form the majority against the combined opposition. We saw how Imran ran away from Early Elections options in the months before the NCM vote in April 2022: Because he was unpopular.
The 'incumbency factor' make the sitting govt unpopular all too often.

 

[VCheng]

I judge it insulting when Imran's followers deny the vote bank the other parties have and that vote bank, when combined, is very substantial.

Why not regard that as not as an insult, but merely a denial of reality? That is their choice to make, and the consequences of such folly for them to bear.

If I insist that the Earth is flat, would you be insulted? Does it matter to reality?

 

[Cipher212]

And just as literally, you'd be wrong. ALL elections have the same level of veracity, so either one accepts none of them, or all of them.

To be selective in accepting the results is hypocritical, no matter which side one prefers.

There can be no denying the above.

The result says otherwise. PTI sweeps Pakistan hands down in the last election. Your opinion or closeted dislike of PTI can't change that fact.

Let me remind you once again that Nawaz Sharif himself lost in Lahore last time. IN LAHORE. PTI had around 170-180 seats in reality. More than enough to make a govt.


The reason we deny the veracity of elections is because they're always rigged in Favour of the current establishment pet. It's only that this time we got to see the original election Form 45s and 47s. Officially, PTI wasn't even in the last election, which was another form of rigging when they didn't even allow them to use bat symbol.

I remember they went so far as to stand up candidates with similar symbols to the independent for each NA, maybe in hopes of getting people confused.

There has been no free and fair election in Pakistan since it's inception. A certain Mohib e Watan Cabal has ensured that.

 

[VCheng]

Let me remind you once again that Nawaz Sharif himself lost in Lahore last time. IN LAHORE.

Let me remind you once again that IK lost the VoNC. WHEN HE WAS PM.

So what's your point? People win and lose all the time.

 

[VCheng]

The reason we deny the veracity of elections is because they're always rigged in Favour of the current establishment pet.

So you liked it when IK was the chosen pet for the elections he won, but not when the chosen pet was someone else?

Real life does not work that way.

 

[gamaji]

So, as expected, the internal enemies are now publicly getting united with external enemies. Imran Ahmed Khotakhail's sister yesterday appeared on multiple Indian godi channels and vented her anti-Pakistan shit to the delight of slumd0gs.

مودی کا جو یار ہے، غدار ہے، غدار ہے

Pakistani nation can tolerate everything but any association with Indians. Both Indians and PTI are pet dogs of Zionists. They were pretending as if there was no cohesion between them against the state of Pakistan. But now the cat is out of the bag.

The people of Pakistan see all these enemies with open eyes. The failed calls of protests, marches, and sit-ins and also the sweeping rejection of PTI candidates by Pakistani public in the recent by-elections amply prove that.

It's the time that a convicted criminal should be treated as such.

• The jail rules allow family members of a jailed criminal to meet him once every two weeks.
• There should be a complete ban on political activities of convicted criminal Imran Ahmed Khotakhail. According to the SCP ruling, a convicted criminal, who cannot hold a public position, cannot be a kingmaker either.

 

[Meengla]

Let me remind you once again that IK lost the VoNC. WHEN HE WAS PM.
So what's your point? People win and lose all the time.

Right.
BTW, the guy mentioning Nawaz losing in his own constituency sort of gives credence to the elections!! While we are at it, IIRC, Imran himself lost a seat or two.
Overall you are right as in other posts: If Imran was as popular as his Twitterati claim, he would be out of prison--no way to hold such leaders in the gallows for long. What is going for Imran are:
1) Indians, PTI Bloggers, and Afghans behind him in the blogspace. Different goals, same strategy. We saw the embarrassing interviews of Imran's sisters on Indian media yesterday.
2) For Pakistan's own media, Imran is a 'juicy' story to cover, often with eye-catching headlines / thumbnails.

But as I see it, Imran is truly cooked until at least the 2029 elections. He continues with very stupid decisions, such as the partial boycott of the last by-elections; not one credible analyst has condoned his boycott. Not one! But Imran's followers are in denial about Imran's arrogance and stupidity. May they remain so!!

 

[Meengla]

So, as expected, the internal enemies are now publicly getting united with external enemies. Imran Ahmed Khotakhail's sister yesterday appeared on multiple Indian godi channels and vented her anti-Pakistan shit to the delight of slumd0gs.

مودی کا جو یار ہے، غدار ہے، غدار ہے

Mansoor Ali Khan did a hard-hitting video yesterday about Imran's sisters going on Indian channels. But then I am not at all surprised by the lack of principles and opportunism of this so-called political party called PTI. You know, America toppled him, then it was not America, then his sons pleading the same America for his restoration? Can these people sink any lower?!!
Here is Mansoor's powerful video. English captions should be available.

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[gamaji]

Yes the rules keep changing. Like refusing to implement High Court orders!!!

Bhai, you are assuming the rules for 'political prisoners' be applied to the case of IK, a convicted criminal. The supreme courts ruling in Nawaz Sharif case clearly prohibited any political activities by a convicted criminal.
جو شخص بادشاہ نہیں ہو سکتا وہ بادشاہگر بھی نہیں ہو سکتا۔
This ruling in fact applies to the case of IK.

 

[gamaji]

Bhai, you are assuming the rules for 'political prisoners' be applied to the case of IK, a convicted criminal. The supreme courts ruling in Nawaz Sharif case clearly prohibited any political activities by a convicted criminal.
جو شخص بادشاہ نہیں ہو سکتا وہ بادشاہگر بھی نہیں ہو سکتا۔
This ruling in fact applies to the case of IK.

The current government of SS is coward. It needs to follow the jail rules for the convicted criminals rather than getting blackmailed and intimidated by mafias.

There is no justification whatsoever to give seven cells to one particular convicted criminal, allow political activities of that jailed criminal, and allow so so many people, including political persons, meet him so often (hundreds of meetings in just two years).

The jail officials are clearly violating the SCP ruling in this regard and that may cause trouble for them down the road.

 

[Cipher212]

So you liked it when IK was the chosen pet for the elections he won, but not when the chosen pet was someone else?

Real life does not work that way.

I am not that old. Had no understanding of how things worked back then.

However, that is exactly what makes PTI win in previous election such a clean sweep. No party, No symbol and they had the otherwise stoic establishment scrambling and rushing to scribble over the forums. To win a clear majority despite all that means that if the last election had been an actual fair one, PTI would make a majority govt.

Unfortunately that is not how it works in Pakistan and to win elections you don't need popular support but support of one specific idaara.

Itni cutting and overwriting mene school ki notebooks me nahi ki btw.

 

[Cipher212]

Let me remind you once again that IK lost the VoNC. WHEN HE WAS PM.

So what's your point? People win and lose all the time.

That was also rigged by the army. Obviously the army pets will win against the anti army party. This is not surprising.

My point is in an open election, he wins.

Army on purpose ensures that even when their pets win, they have barely enough seats to make government. The reason they do this is so later on, if any disagreements arise they can simply oust them with a VoNC.

They've been perfecting this hybrid rule system since the 80s.