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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%

  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%

  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%
  • Total voters
    112
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Meengla said:
If only Imran's supporters would one day know that Imran was destroying Pakistan's most vital foreign relationships: America, Saudi Arabia and China. But right now, all those relationships are back to the best ever and even Russia is better aligned with Pakistan.
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Well, that is the best thing about international geopolitics - nothing is permanent, for good and bad. What is ruined can be restored, and mistakes can ruin in seconds what took decades to nurture.
 
VCheng said:
No sir. He is ready to embrace shahadat. Did he not say that?

If he did, then it is a noble goal indeed. Anyone willing to die for such a noble cause should get every help and prayer to enable such a noble and lofty goal to met as quickly as possible.

Why would such logic sadden anyone? After all, he is a world class diplomat who knows the ways of the world and politics. If he is ready to die than to figure out some other peaceful way for himself, how can anyone else object? He is a wise man. He should get what he wants.
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I actually disagree with this shahadat bullshit. No it is wrong and demolarizing..very defeatist thinking and gives more power to the enemy. No..IK should stay alive to fight for another day ..and let others know that …yea fight but fight intelligently and save your live so that you can continue fighting ..if you are dead then you are useless. Also IK does not have any inspiring heir so if he dies it is game over. As long as he is alive , asim nawaz and zardari have something to fear. So please stop this defeatist thinking ..be smart ..plan well. This is war and now you need to plan to out think your enemy. This shahadat talk needs to stop please
 
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VCheng said:
If he is ready to die, then it shows he sees no other way out.
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When somone says, I am ready to die (or) for Shahadat for his country or for a just cause, it means that person will do everything humanly possible for his cause/mission, and if ultimately in the process he becomes a shaheed, He died doing his best without any compromises/deals.

All Pakistani/Muslim Soldiers are ready and wish for Shahadat, what it means???? they stand infront of the bullets folded hands and attain Shahadat???? No. or it give every dumb person right to kill them????

It means they will fight till the last drop with the best of their abilities and if during that process they attain Shahadat, they are ready and be happy.

This is how Normal human brain works and think.

I hope I was able to explain properly in my poor English, But if someone has their mind set to see things in a certain way and twist everything like a coroupt and dishonet person, no amount of explanations, reasoning and justification work.

Now I am expecting you to quote just only my last Para and spin your intelectual brain.
 
VCheng said:
Then why, oh why, is the PTI social media crowd so adamant that a revolution is around the corner?
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cutiepie it took Bangalis years to dethrone hasina
took 25 years for mandela...

but hey since its Ammraaan should do it in 5 mins of all knwoing cutiepie will claim he failed and peiple dont support him!!
 
Boss said:
The reason the military is the strongest institution in the country because they have IQ tests.
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If that IQ test is still producing the same results after 70 years, you all need to go back to the drawing board and create a new test that yields better results.

But then again, it takes a competent society to make an IQ test that needs to be administered.
 
airhead said:
I actually disagree with this shahadat bullshit. No it is wrong and demolarizing..very defeatist thinking and gives more power to the enemy. No..IK should stay alive to fight for another day ..and let others know that …yea fight but fight intelligently and save your live so that you can continue fighting ..if you are dead then you are useless. Also IK does not have any inspiring heir so if he dies it is game over. As long as he is alive , asim nawaz and zardari have something to fear. So please stop this defeatist thinking ..be smart ..plan well. This is war and now you need to plan to out think your enemy. This shahadat talk needs to stop please
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Please tell that to those who have expressed such views - IK himself, his sisters, that mullah with them, etc. - not me.

IK is in his 70s. That alone means much in this context.
 
Cipher212 said:
From around 2010-2021 he was favoured by establishment. His biggest mistake was accepting them and becoming PM on their terms, and then trying to do his marzi rather than listen to the boot.

It's disappointing to see that someone can have all the education and exposure in the world and then be an army puppet. I can excuse Maryam and Bilawal for this because they come from a very feudal background, it is in their nature to do anything for the kursi.

However, what still sets him apart from other civilian options is that he's been burnt once and he's not even willing to cut a deal to come out of jail.

On the other hand, Sharifs have been repeatedly manhandled by Army yet are happy to play the puppet as long as they get Punjab and centre. Bhuttos got hanged and shot and same, happy to play puppet as long as they keep Sindh. In short they keep coming back to eat from the hand that slaps them.
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Its because he tried to come to power from 1996 but noone voted from him. The most seats he won was 1, this was when Imran Khan was young, famous, recently won world cup etc but still people did not vote for him. In Pakistan people vote for powerful people, this is when the strategy changed to working with the establishment since the establishment too wanted a 3rd party to weaken Pmln PPP nexus, especially after Gen Musharaff time. I don't see anything wrong by working with the establishment, but a party needs to stand its ground on their principles so afterwards no issues take place, you cannot turn from Yes Sir to No Sir when in power.

From 2011 till 2021 PTI received tv coverage on all channels, a new revolutionary party etc and young people went for it, the party praised judiciary and military, even after coming to power they praised them all until when it was their own time to go down. No doubt they helped him get to power and then when they had major disagreements they stopped giving their backing and PDM took the rest. All the 200 MNAs MPAs who left PPP Pmlq Pmln to join Pti wouldn't have joined without blessings from above, this is why they all left.

Nawaz/Zardari and the rest are politicians, they want to stay as politicians, maintain their power. This is what makes them find the middleway, give and take but atleast stay in power. Nawaz did try removing a general before to place his favourite one in power and we all know what happened afterwards, Imran Khan as alleged tried the same move.

The establishment used this crisis to their advantage, overtook the state and installed a hybrid regime, constitution is being used as a tissue paper.
 
Cash gk said:
Imran Khan is paying the price for Gaza. Asim Munir asked the US establishment if they would help to finish Khan, he would help them in Gaza.
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Hadith of Ibn ‘Abbas (رضي الله عنه)​

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (ḥasan ṣaḥīḥ)​

The Prophet ﷺ said:


“Know that if the entire nation were to gather together to benefit you with something, they would not benefit you except with something Allah has already decreed for you. And if they were to gather together to harm you with something, they would not harm you except with something Allah has already decreed against you. The pens have been lifted and the pages have dried.”
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