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[Forsvaret]

Oh the agony…

Oh, the agony of using your alter ego @Meengla instead of saying that directly to me.

 

[VCheng]

In Pakistan’s history, this has opened an unprecedented chapter. For the first time, a former ISI Chief—who led intelligence operations during the NATO and American withdrawal from Afghanistan—has been court-martialed.
This was not an ordinary officer. He was regarded as one of the pride of Pakistan’s army and intelligence services, a key strategist during one of the most critical geopolitical transitions in the region.
By court-martialing such a figure, the establishment has crossed a line. A door has been opened—one that cannot be closed. If a former ISI Chief of this stature can be put on trial, then no position is beyond reach.
This decision has opened the gates of hell for the system itself. After this, it is no longer unthinkable that, for the first time in Pakistan’s history, an Army Chief—indeed, even a Field Marshal—could face court-martial.

Good. After all, why should anyone be above accountability for their actions? No one should be.

In fact, we should start by posthumously court martialing ALL past dictators beginning with Gen Zia: withdraw all the honors and the medals and all emoluments should be refunded, money, plots, land and all.

And mention all this in all schoolbooks and history books.

 

[Forsvaret]

After all, why should anyone be above accountability for their actions? No one should be.

Then explain how come current Field Marshal got himself lifetime immunity from any accountability in the recently passed 27th amendment?

 

[newb3e]

In Pakistan’s history, this has opened an unprecedented chapter. For the first time, a former ISI Chief—who led intelligence operations during the NATO and American withdrawal from Afghanistan—has been court-martialed.
This was not an ordinary officer. He was regarded as one of the pride of Pakistan’s army and intelligence services, a key strategist during one of the most critical geopolitical transitions in the region.
By court-martialing such a figure, the establishment has crossed a line. A door has been opened—one that cannot be closed. If a former ISI Chief of this stature can be put on trial, then no position is beyond reach.
This decision has opened the gates of hell for the system itself. After this, it is no longer unthinkable that, for the first time in Pakistan’s history, an Army Chief—indeed, even a Field Marshal—could face court-martial.

Aye!

that thug boss thinks he is smart but all his plans will fail!

 

[Forsvaret]

In fact, we should start by posthumously court martialing ALL past dictators beginning with Gen Zia…

Why beginning with Gen Zia? Why not Gen Ayub who imposed the first martial law in Pakistan or Gen Gracey who disobeyed the orders of Jinnah to fight in Kashmir?

 

[Forsvaret]

Let them be.

"Please" @Meengla , listen to your alter ego @VCheng and let the cultists be!

 

[Cash gk]

Just remember how the current Field Marshal gave himself lifetime immunity from any prosecution in court before doing court martial of a former DG ISI!

I do not have a privilege to like your post, but this posts of yours is five stars. establishment of this website took away my like and dislike option.

 

[Jango]

Again, that is not a fair, but a naive, assessment. After all, IK knew how he himself was put into power, and to what extent such matters are managed, did he not?

You're a sensible man. If you can't see the vast difference in what is going on now vs what happened in 2018, then I don't think we can even have a sensible discussion here.

I agree with the sticking with the CM part. But there were many other things: influencing the selection of ISI chief, destroying relationships with USA and SA, May 9, etc. etc.

May 9 happened afterwards. A DG ISI reports to the PM, so why should he not have input on it? Destroying relationships? You need to read less of the Fauji newspapers VC, the same ones that told you SMQ was free?

The Saudis didn't like us towing an independent line. And now we are firmly a gun for hire for the Arabs. Having a different opinion on foreign policy where you put your country's interests first is destroying the relationship, then so be it. Ya hamesha aisay doosron ki chabloosi hi kartay rehna hai?

Fauj didn't like having a less of an input in foreign affairs than what they usually had. And now look...it's completely their domain. Congratulations btw on getting involved in the UAE proxy war...that's what you wanted with great foreign relations right?

And it fer sure ain't a soccer match!

Yeah...it's the Fauj's kingdom, and we are just toiling away in it.

 

[HAIDER]

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Figured you might get a chuckle out of this @Jango @PakAl

These artificial elites of Punjab.....jahil log....

 

[Forsvaret]

Having a different opinion on foreign policy where you put your country's interests first is destroying the relationship, then so be it.

You do understand by now that @VCheng and his alter ego @Meengla aren’t that "sensible" as they have been claiming here to be for years?

 

[VCheng]

f you can't see the vast difference in what is going on now vs what happened in 2018, then I don't think we can even have a sensible discussion here.

That difference you point out is not vast, but minor. How? The REAL similarity that I wish to be concentrated upon is that the villainous perpetrators of interfering illegally in the political process are exactly the SAME.

Once we can agree that that villain is our commonality, then what happened to IK in being removed was the same process that has been repeated multiple times before, illegally and by same villains.

A DG ISI reports to the PM, so why should he not have input on it?

Yes, but not only to the PM, and in consultation with the COAS. Both of those two should have been able to work it out beforehand. The differences should have never been allowed to spill out into the public domain in the manner that they did. Both of them are to be blamed for that fiasco.

Destroying relationships?

Indeed. The visit to Russia, and the meeting on the sidelines of UNGA were major factors in doing so. Both events were ill-advised.

The Saudis didn't like us towing an independent line.

What miffed them was being excluded in what IK was trying to do, noble as it might have been. More diplomatic tact would not have caused such ruffled feathers to the extent than it did. How can IK not know how the Turks are portrayed in Saudi schoolbooks even to this day, for example? And that is just the beginning. It is almost a repeat of the famous U-turn about IMF that IK pulled, only to realize the reality of Pakistan's situation. Such short-sightedness merely on the basis of noble principles when one simply does not have the strength to even stand on one's two feet is nothing but sheer stupidity.

What he said about USA is a whole another story on top of the above, without going into details. Yes, IK destroyed relationships important to Pakistan in an absolutely reckless manner.

And now we are firmly a gun for hire for the Arabs.

Now? We have been just that for more than the Saudis for decades already.

Having a different opinion on foreign policy where you put your country's interests first is destroying the relationship, then so be it. Ya hamesha aisay doosron ki chabloosi hi kartay rehna hai?

Pursuing your own national interests is indeed the right thing to do, but only after careful consideration of all the pros and cons of each decision. IK went off half-cocked and way too prematurely in both Russia and UNGA. Much more groundwork was needed before doing any of the steps that he took, 100%. For example the Saudi "deposit" enabled Pakistan to avoid default, and much of the energy provided by them to us remains on "deferred payments".

Yeah...it's the Fauj's kingdom, and we are just toiling away in it.

Agreed 100%. That is why I am glad that I left it all behind when I did. Gen Zia provided the foundation, but the crowning final insult came from NS directly. I have moved on, but will never forget what was done.

 

[HAIDER]

These artificial elites of Punjab.....jahil log....

duty hour podcast...can you believe this shitzz.... only 1 hour to resolve murder case ......lollllllllllllllllllllll

 

[Forsvaret]

The differences should have never been allowed to spill out into the public domain in the manner that they did.

Hiding things from public is a "good" thing - @VCheng the wise

The visit to Russia…

Meeting Russian president in Russia as PM of Pakistan is a "bad" thing - @VCheng the all-knowing

What he said about USA is a whole another story on top of the above, without going into details.

IK being PM of Pakistan not towing American line "destroyed" the country’s relationship with USA - @VCheng the patriot

 

[Cash gk]

duty hour podcast...can you believe this shitzz.... only 1 hour to resolve murder case ......lollllllllllllllllllllll

You know Jokers are everywhere. The government is run by Jokers we have here. They are defending day and night. They act like Jokers.

 

[Mobius]

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