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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%
  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
    112
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Why is that you have to drag foreigners into your internal garbage ? Can't you ever own up to your own shit ?
Because present tags stolen mandate occupied nation of Pakistan to satisfied their foreign masters. Maverick is totally right.
 
Because present tags stolen mandate occupied nation of Pakistan to satisfied their foreign masters. Maverick is totally right.

Your country is run by your establishment. They have done plenty of things to thumb their noses at their so-called "foreign masters" whether it be backing the Taliban, developing nukes or sheltering Bin Laden
 
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Obviously, if IK is so courageous as as to make such a principled decision, he is also bold enough to bear all the consequences of his decisions.
 
Unfortunately - I feel a certainty now that IK will meet the same fate as Bhutto in terms of being forgotten except by a fringe.

Not that Benazir did not return triumphant but for the most part until the “Zia” of this time meets a specific conclusion - IK is as good as hung.

Both - falling to their egos more than anything else
Bhutto was actually hated by most of Pakistan at the time of his imprisonment and subsequent hanging because of his own authoritarianism and his central role in the breakup of Pakistan...

Although I do agree with you as far as IK's political future being over, he's only eclipsed by Jinnah in terms of popularity, Bhutto is not even fit to tie IK's shoe laces...
 
Bhutto was actually hated by most of Pakistan at the time of his imprisonment and subsequent hanging because of his own authoritarianism and his central role in the breakup of Pakistan...

Although I do agree with you as far as IK's political future being over, he's only eclipsed by Jinnah in terms of popularity, Bhutto is not even fit to tie IK's shoe laces...
Lets agree to disagree. I cant argue with cultism
 
Lets agree to disagree. I cant argue with cultism

I hope you are not saying IK was just as unpopular as Bhutto was when the latter was deposed?

People actually distributed sweets in most parts of Pakistan when Bhutto was removed. In contrast, most cities in Pakistan people came out on the streets to protest the night Bajwa removed IK.

BTW, calling uncomfortable facts cultism is a nice cop out.
 
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The Sharif family has appointed their former personal guard as the prison superintendent by misusing their power. Along with an active Pakistan Army’s activity duty,colonel, they are treating Imran Khan miserably in prison and have stripped him of all his basic human rights.
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This man said he will fix economy in one year time. It is now three years and now he become female Marshall.
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My friend, I agree with you and go as far as to say that all of us have to drop political affiliations and loyalties. We need to be loyal to the state of Pakistan and not to any Government or politicians or even army general. Corruption is a big problem, but it is not the biggest problem, most Pakistanis are corrupt, I would say around 99% (financial, moral, ethical etc.); we cheat each other every opportunity we get but blame the establishment and politicians.

There is corruption globally too, but they still thrive because they still appoint the right person (however corrupt) for the right job. The result is that even the corrupt person will make correct decisions which will eventually benefit the country. Our biggest dilemma is the appointment of incompetent fools into positions of importance which has caused us more harm than corruption.
The only solution is to build up multiple institutions, as arbiters and checks on each other, as layers in between our base desires for self en-grandiosement and a functional state.

But who is willing to change the status quo, to temporary derail the enrichment of the status quo elites to give rise to a more health and functional economy and state.

We have to consider that with a shift at this point, the population is still set to grow rapidly and the current elites will make back their money ten fold in a generation, if not more, as in China, if they remain disciplined.


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I watched a video of Imran Riaz Khan yesterday and he made a point that resonated. To paraphrase, he is of the opinion that PTI are relying on the political oppression of Imran Khan for votes and have failed to do anything expected of them as an opposition party. He talked about the economy, joblessness, oppression of media, inflation, and said PTI has failed to challenge the government on any of these issues.

I think i agree with him. I am of the opinion that the current version of PTI is an absolute flop. HOWEVER, I do realise that all the senior leadership of PTI is currently imprisoned, or has quit the party (no great loss). Those who remain have failed to make an impact, or even create a public perception that they are challenging the state on what matters to the people. Rather they appear like reluctant cheerleaders of Imran Khan.

I think if you took any current political party and locked up senior leadership and workers, you'd find the same limp effect. However Imran Khan stated PTI was going to be different, it was going to be organised and structured, an institute able to operate independent of direction from a figurehead. He stated the autonomy and management of Shaukat khanum as an example. I think with PTI he has failed to do so. The difference is that the hospital was run by professionals, political parties are run by politicians, people who are inherently selfish and egotistical. Across the spectrum, across the world, politicians claim to be wishing to "serve the people", but often actually really just desire to "lead the people".
 
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