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[PakAl]

There is no ambiguity in the terrorists' demands: They want territory--sizable territory. And once they get that, they will want MORE. AND MORE.
Numerous negotiations have happened for almost a quarter century. Elders from the tribal Jirgahs have been killed. The terrorists have been appeased many times with concessions. But they are laser focused on their goals, all of which involve gaining sizable territory inside Pakistan as their base to spread to other parts of Pakistan. And any Pakistani, who even remotely is in empathy with them, is either naive or anti-Pakistan.

Tribal elders from the tribal areas right. But some people on PDF are being negative about all tribal people, calling them names etc. And yes I recall JUI Fazlur rehman opposing Fata joining KPK, he claimed tribal people want their own province and not be part of KPK. Pakistan needs to win support of all tribal people, bring in development and slowly finish off all terorrists.

 

[Taimoor]

I guess political allegiance has no requirement of honesty or due diligence.

It was exactly the military operations that did it. Terrorist incidents/fatalities had been decreasing since 2009, after Op. Rah-e-Haq began in 2007, a good 9 years before Imran Khan became the prime minister. They had fallen from 11317 incidents in 2009 to 688 by the time he took the reigns in 2018. This decrease continued for the first year of his stint until his idiotic policies kicked in and resulted in a year over year increase starting in 2020 after having seen a continuous decrease for 10 years. TTP was seen again in areas which had been cleared for years.

Terrorism in Pakistan - Yearly Fatalities | SATP

The American withdrawal started in 2021.

Boot polishing leave one without having the sense of accepting facts and ground realities, overall assessment of the bigger picture.

If military operation have been this successful, IK has been out of power for years now, Bajwa made the "wall" at tax payers money on Afghan border, why we are in mess again?

Gotcha, I take you are referring to the rehabilitation of TTP back into Pakistan? Funny though, it was retard Nadeem Anjum and Bajwa who brought this "plan" in IK cabinet, couldnt get it approved, kicked IK out, brought their stooges and got them to approve those plans. Please feel free to elaborate if I have misunderstood you!?

Afghan conflict: US and Taliban sign deal to end 18-year war

President Trump says it is "time after all these years to bring our people back home".

www.bbc.co.uk

29 February 2020

 

[Taimoor]

The good news is that Gandupur is establishment tattu just like Buzdar was.

Interesting. can we then safely deduce that Buzdar failings was actually establishment own? since he was their tattu? The way your described, its pretty evident that establishment made sure IK fail in Punjab due their tattu.

 

[krash]

Boot polishing leave one without having the sense of accepting facts and ground realities, overall assessment of the bigger picture.

If military operation have been this successful, IK has been out of power for years now, Bajwa made the "wall" at tax payers money on Afghan border, why we are in mess again?

Gotcha, I take you are referring to the rehabilitation of TTP back into Pakistan? Funny though, it was retard Nadeem Anjum and Bajwa who brought this "plan" in IK cabinet, couldnt get it approved, kicked IK out, brought their stooges and got them to approve those plans. Please feel free to elaborate if I have misunderstood you!?

No need for integrity either, it seems. "Boot polishing", "facts", "ground realities", bigger picture"....Big swings in a desperate argument.

"Imran Khan did not do it". "If he did, it was because someone else told him to". "Now that it is done, why haven't others solved it?" That's exactly what the current operation is for, the same one your Messiah is opposing. Best not to waste time with easy strawman.

You should instead focus on supporting his idiotic policies in issues less detrimental to your country.

Afghan conflict: US and Taliban sign deal to end 18-year war

President Trump says it is "time after all these years to bring our people back home".

www.bbc.co.uk

29 February 2020

And you believe the American troops were waiting in the departure lounge on 28th Feb 2020? Regardless, that is still about a decade after the decrease in terrorism began.

 

[White Privilege]

Imran Khan is a lost cause, stopped hoping any sane geopolitical move from him.

 

[White Privilege]

ask this idiot to send his own sons to 'negotiate' next time TTP takes hostages. Utter bulshitter.....

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Interesting. can we then safely deduce that Buzdar failings was actually establishment own? since he was their tattu? The way your described, its pretty evident that establishment made sure IK fail in Punjab due their tattu.

IK himself was establishment tattu who had falling out because of USA and his pro Taliban policy.

Then tattu run to Trump hoping to get relief. Too bad USA FP isnt decided by inviduals.

 

[Goenitz]

First release IK and then he can explain it openly. Otherwise, it is just twisting his words.

 

[VectorZero]

IK has completely lost it. He has no idea how deep the resentment runs among Pakistanis against the Afghandos and TTP. I voted PTI in the last elections, never again. Enough of this so called brotherly love for Afghans while our own people die from there handlers.

We will stand united and crush any group or militant who dares to harm Pakistan.

 

[Taimoor]

No need for integrity either, it seems. "Boot polishing", "facts", "ground realities"....Big swings in a desperate argument.

"If Imran Khan did it, it was because someone else told him to". "Now that it is done, why haven't others solved it?" That's exactly what the current operation is for, the same one your Messiah is opposing. Best not to waste time with easy strawman.

You should instead focus on supporting his idiotic policies in issues less detrimental to your country.



And you believe the American troops were waiting in the departure lounge on 28th Feb 2020 to depart the next day? Regardless, that is still about a decade after the decrease in terrorism began.

Since you assumed that thrust of my argument is coming from my political affiliation, which is not the case rather studying and experiencing Afghanistan situation since first afghan "jihad", allow me to take this opportunity to label anyone I choose as "boot polisher".

Imran khan did what? You are not very good at explaining yourself sunshine. Speak you mind, I will educate you, I promise.


And that is where you not only lose your argument but your marbles as well. Your immature analysis thought the Taliban rose to power when the last America plan left Afghan soil. Their authority was officially sealed on 28th 2020, not 2021 as you assumed, infact they were already in control of majority of Afghan soil apart from main cities like Kabul. The fact amply demonstrated how they took over of Kabul within days of yanks withdrawal and ANA/NDS capitulating. For decades, Pakistan was trounced by this unholy alliance of CIA/RAW/NDS, it actually cringeworthy reminding people as to who were the culprits back then, people forgetting those DGISPR presentations explaining how Indian consulates are the nerve centres of the terrorist activities in Pakistan, and how TTP was the brain child of RAW/NDS. The reduction of terrorism inside Pakistan was directly linked to the Afghan Taliban hold in Afghanistan and gradual dismantling of NA/ANA/NDS/RAW by them.

Don't be a miserable git, because your overlords are at war with IK, be thank full to him that he defeated and ejected India and all other nefarious elements out of Afghan soil. He was very much on his course to shift focus on Modi and RSS thugs till your overlords had the itch to back stab him. If he hadnt made this deal with Trump directly, your duffers would still be gladly fighting ANA/NDS and giving us sermons about Indian consulates.

 

[Taimoor]

IK himself was establishment tattu who had falling out because of USA and his pro Taliban policy.

Then tattu run to Trump hoping to get relief. Too bad USA FP isnt decided by inviduals.

You just keep on digging hole for yourself. If IK was establishment tattu, then it seems all tattus are failure, what that says about the establishment itself?

 

[Fatman17]

I am surprised - people are still stuck at that stage of "we should talk to Militants and try to find out what they want".

I throught we really were way past that stage and reached the consensus as a nation that we have to finish off this fitnah by force - You guys still confused about what they want? They want to take over the country and implement whatever the Shariah concept they have. Are you guys ok with that? Being ruled by Taliban? If the answer is yes - please support the "talks" and people who advocate for it.

If the answer is No - then i am sorry - get back to your senses - there is no other option than to fight and eliminate this Khawarij Fitnah - Do you think they will stop if Military stops operations and gets out of tribal areas? Nah my friends - soon the fire of so called Jihad will be reaching your homes in Punjab and Sindh.

All that debate about who created Taliban and the mistakes our Generals made - is useless now - what's done is done - looking forward - there is only one goal - how to rid our country of this Fitnah and bring lasting stability.

How? in the last 25 years we couldn't find it.

 

[side-winder]

How? in the last 25 years we couldn't find it.

Sir - call it inconsistent policies, incompetency, insufficient supplimentary measures or whatever you want - but one thing is for sure - talks with these animals are utterly useless - it only gives them time and space to re-group - they want the entire country and will not stop anything short of it - so what's the point of talks - never can be fruitful - as very much has been evident in the past.

 

[Blain2]

“The operation in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa should be stopped immediately. At one time in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the ANP was made unpopular. Instead of improving the situation, military operations against our own people only to please external forces make things worse. In these operations, our security forces are killed on one side and our own citizens on the other. Killing our own people always increases terrorism. The drone attacks on our side in Afghanistan and Pakistan should be stopped immediately.

I direct all the provincial and national assembly members and senators of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa to sit together and resist for peace in the province and to stop the operations and drone attacks against our own people so that this problem can be resolved peacefully. On the one hand, people are facing floods and inflation and they will also face an operation, which is very painful. History is a witness that there is no permanent solution to peace except through negotiations.

Afghanistan is our brotherly Muslim country. Afghan refugees have been living here for three generations. When the Prophet (peace be upon him) migrated to Medina, Everyone opened their doors for them and that is why Ansar Medina is respected till date but we made the land narrow for our Muslim brothers. Pushing and expelling the refugees is very sad. Asim Munir is doing all this to please the anti-Taliban lobby and is deliberately imposing war where there is no war. These steps should be stopped immediately otherwise the situation will worsen further”

Former Prime Minister Imran Khan’s conversation with his sisters in Adiala Jail. September 10, 2025

What happens to the 350,000 Biharis who also need the doors opened up for them in BD?

Yes, Major Adnan Aslam Khan died fighting our own people in Bannu.

Our ppl who turned terrorists. Funny this "our people" narrative was missing when going after East Pakistanis (Operation Searchlight), Urdu Speakers in Karachi (Operation Cleanup). The only reason Major Adnan made the ultimate sacrifice is because TTP brainwashes with Takfeer. Anyone who defends TTP as "our people" has lost their marbles.
Mass murderers and rapists are also "our people" but they are punished for the crimes they commit against the broader population.
Let's get some clarity of thought instead of peddling the age old, debunked propaganda. All the military is doing is creating space for dialogue. If the kinetic actions stop, expect to see re-occupation of Swat and adjoining areas by these Takfiris.

 

[Oscar]

Taliban Khan isn’t a name that came up out if nowhere.
At the that is his vision and you can see it in his choice of spouse as well.

He would happily let Taliban enforce their concept of moral enforcement in Islamabad because in his mind his assumed vision of Riyasat e Madina is what that translates to.

Now whether the establishment’s approach or PML(N)’s Punjab is Pakistan approach is right isn’t the automatic answer to “Imran Khan is wrong” opinions.