PTI news, updates and discussions part ll

[Cipher212]

1. In case you did not know Kargil is in the mountains 1500km from the coast. So to say Navy was not informed is quite stupid as if they would have made much of a difference. It was a limited battle and since Pakistan started the battle bringing in the air force would result in full scale war.
Do you even know why Imran Khan's former ally Nawaz removed from the office? Because he denied Musharraf’s plane permission to land in Pakistan, which would have resulted in the loss of lives since the plane didn’t have enough fuel to land anywhere outside Pakistan.
Not a fan of Musharaf but will defend him where it needs to be.

2. Historically speaking not sure why this concept is an alien to you but fighting men have fought and ran their empire, nations, kingdoms, tribes, territory etc for 100s of years throughout Muslim's history. If you want to go by western Democratic principal then it would be nice if your cultish ulla ka patha leader inform the voters since they are holding onto their hopes and dreams that one day if Imran Khan comes out he will implement true Islamic system "Riyasat e Madina". Seriously half of my issue with PTI would be gone if they capture voters through truthful way and not deceitful way by giving them this churan. I can guarantee you their vote bank will decline to 20% and I am being conservative here.

Do you even know how many defeats Muslims had to face before they liberated Jerusalem from crusaders? Thank god that dajjal was not around the time of Crusaders otherwise he would have told his people "to kiya keron Crusaders pay humla kerdon?"

And did I not already dismantle your indian narrative propaganda about Pakistan losing all wars? How exactly did Pakistan lose 1965 war by thwarting Indian invasion of Lahore and Sialkot? Yeah we try to start local uprising but that sh1 has been going on for many decade on each others side. India retaliated with opening multiple fronts, they crossed the international border with tanks and troops which resulted in their ass getting kicked out.
Have some shame when you lie this much.

Musharaf is a traitor and conspired against a sitting PM. He died far away from his beloved country because he was too puss to face court. I don't care much for him. And yes, it is still a shame that the other services did not know what was going on and neither the government or even parts of the army itself had any idea what was going on. That's usually defined as rogue action in most militaries.

Also funny you are calling Nawaz an Imran ally when currently it's his party that the army is using as their surrogate. Asim Munir is happily working with him and his brother and daughter to latch onto power.

Secondly, you are again harping on and on about fighting men running Islamic empires and blah blah.

Beta, this is not 960 AD and Asim Munir is not a "fighting man". He is a bald pot bellied dude LARPing as a British officer because he's been programmed that way by a colonial remnant military academy.

Pakistan is an Islamic Republic. Not a medieval monarchy. We are not run by fighting men, our country was created by a bloody civilian who was a lawyer.

Even the Islamic countries today's which are indeed monarchies are not run by generals. They're run by a royal family and the generals report to the Prince/King/Sheikh/Sultan etc.

It is only in Pakistan and Egypt where some officer clowns have got it into their head that they have the right to run the country.

Also agar Imran Khan na hamla nahi kia India pe tou why isn't the brave Asim Munir doing it? 50% of Kashmir is still in Indian hands. Jaye jihad karay wo. Suit pehn ke politics Kyu karra hay?

 

[flyingorca]

1 Musharaf is a traitor and conspired against a sitting PM. He died far away from his beloved country because he was too puss to face court. I don't care much for him. And yes, it is still a shame that the other services did not know what was going on and neither the government or even parts of the army itself had any idea what was going on. That's usually defined as rogue action in most militaries.

2 Also funny you are calling Nawaz an Imran ally when currently it's his party that the army is using as their surrogate. Asim Munir is happily working with him and his brother and daughter to latch onto power.

3 Secondly, you are again harping on and on about fighting men running Islamic empires and blah blah.

4 Beta, this is not 960 AD and Asim Munir is not a "fighting man". He is a bald pot bellied dude LARPing as a British officer because he's been programmed that way by a colonial remnant military academy.

5 Pakistan is an Islamic Republic. Not a medieval monarchy. We are not run by fighting men, our country was created by a bloody civilian who was a lawyer.

6 Even the Islamic countries today's which are indeed monarchies are not run by generals. They're run by a royal family and the generals report to the Prince/King/Sheikh/Sultan etc.

7 It is only in Pakistan and Egypt where some officer clowns have got it into their head that they have the right to run the country.

Also agar Imran Khan na hamla nahi kia India pe tou why isn't the brave Asim Munir doing it? 50% of Kashmir is still in Indian hands. Jaye jihad karay wo. Suit pehn ke politics Kyu karra hay?

1. At this point you are just changing the goal post instead of addressing my counter arguments. Common safe exit tactics by those who get caught in their own web of lies. I already made it clear why Kargil was a secretive mission where the less noise made the quicker Pakistan could reach their positions. If India could bribe the Maharaja of Kashmir then it was a justified sneaky move by Pakistan.

2. Do you have comprehension issue? I called him "EX Ally" just like how Imran Khan was also Musharraf’s EX ally. I remember how during early 2000s Imran used to call Musharaf one of his daddy infact the list is quite long starting from Goldsmith ending with Trump.

3. Muslim empire blah blah bla? Pretty sure thats how Imran khan became popular by giving daily dose of Riyasat e Medina churan. I dare PTI official page on X to make an announcement that Riyasat e Medina was just a churan to gain sympathy votes and watch how their popularity among emotionally charged religious awam takes a nose dive.

4. Your Imrano Khan literally graduated from British Uni, married into pro zio family, socialized in Epstein and Maxwell type figures circles, etc etc.
And isn't England where most of PTI tiger warriors hiding?

5. Muslim empires such as Mughal and Ottoman were not medieval or barbaric empire you self loatheing mor0n. They were one of the most richest and sophisticated empire of its time.

6. Thats why they are among the weakest

7. If asim does attack India then people like you will still find a way to criticize this move. Heck Pak must keep keep on trying until they find victory. Remember, muslims lost 10s of battles against Crusaders until they were victorious.

 

[Cipher212]

1. At this point you are just changing the goal post instead of addressing my counter arguments. Common safe exit tactics by those who get caught in their own web of lies. I already made it clear why Kargil was a secretive mission where the less noise made the quicker Pakistan could reach their positions. If India could bribe the Maharaja of Kashmir then it was a justified sneaky move by Pakistan.

2. Do you have comprehension issue? I called him "EX Ally" just like how Imran Khan was also Musharraf’s EX ally. I remember how during early 2000s Imran used to call Musharaf one of his daddy infact the list is quite long starting from Goldsmith ending with Trump.

3. Muslim empire blah blah bla? Pretty sure thats how Imran khan became popular by giving daily dose of Riyasat e Medina churan. I dare PTI official page on X to make an announcement that Riyasat e Medina was just a churan to gain sympathy votes and watch how their popularity among emotionally charged religious awam takes a nose dive.

4. Your Imrano Khan literally graduated from British Uni, married into pro zio family, socialized in Epstein and Maxwell type figures circles, etc etc.
And isn't England where most of PTI tiger warriors hiding?

5. Muslim empires such as Mughal and Ottoman were not medieval or barbaric empire you self loatheing mor0n. They were one of the most richest and sophisticated empire of its time.

6. Thats why they are among the weakest

7. If asim does attack India then people like you will still find a way to criticize this move. Heck Pak must keep keep on trying until they find victory. Remember, muslims lost 10s of battles against Crusaders until they were victorious.

Was no secret mission. Just mutiny. Musharaf acted without permission.

And Nawaz was never Imran's ally. The only time they worked together was when Sharif donated to Shaukat Khanum and briefly offered IK position in PMLN which IK declined.

You are still going on and on about Muslim empires oh my god dude get a bloody grip. The year is 2026. There is no Islamic empire anymore. We are in the era of nation states and we live in a REPUBLIC. Not Kingdom of Munir! And I called it Medieval by the way, which pertains to an era. Not sure where you are bringing in barbarism from.

Singular king ruling does not work anymore. Modern countries are MASSIVE compared to these old empires. Millions and millions of people. Pakistan is 240 million now. King system does not suit us anyways.

Yes you are right. Imran Khan used to give examples of Madina government. So what? Did he alter constitution of Pakistan to make himself Khalifa? He was just giving examples in his speeches. He still governed as PM with ministers as per the law. In contrast, when Army grabs power via martial law to hand over power to one man who was not even elected, that is often far from constitutional.

And as for Imran Khan being some zio agent. Bhai tum log thakte nahi ho jhoot phelanay se?

 

[flyingorca]

1. Was no secret mission. Just mutiny. Musharaf acted without permission.

2. And Nawaz was never Imran's ally. The only time they worked together was when Sharif donated to Shaukat Khanum and briefly offered IK position in PMLN which IK declined.

3. You are still going on and on about Muslim empires oh my god dude get a bloody grip. The year is 2026. There is no Islamic empire anymore. We are in the era of nation states and we live in a REPUBLIC. Not Kingdom of Munir! And I called it Medieval by the way, which pertains to an era. Not sure where you are bringing in barbarism from.

4. Singular king ruling does not work anymore. Modern countries are MASSIVE compared to these old empires. Millions and millions of people. Pakistan is 240 million now. King system does not suit us anyways.

5. Yes you are right. Imran Khan used to give examples of Madina government. So what? Did he alter constitution of Pakistan to make himself Khalifa? He was just giving examples in his speeches. He still governed as PM with ministers as per the law. In contrast, when Army grabs power via martial law to hand over power to one man who was not even elected, that is often far from constitutional.

6. And as for Imran Khan being some zio agent. Bhai tum log thakte nahi ho jhoot phelanay se?

1. Sometimes its okay to lets go with your argument that is not going anywhere for you. Just like you accepted you were wrong with "we lost 1965 war" and moved on and hopefully you learned the lesson and wont repeat the same nonsense that we lost all wars.
Regarding your last argument about Kargil. It would be considered a munity if Musharaf had informed Nawaz before he executed his plan. That was not the case here. Not sure why Nawaz disagreed with Kargil when he was "Selected" by the establishment and didnt care much about Pakistan but only his bank accounts right? If Musharaf survived im sure he would have too.
Musharaf screwed up with not realizing the consequences of his action on Kargil. But other then that, Pakistan should have kept trying other military actions until they succeed. One surprise attack was not enough to liberate IOK. But when we have civilians and politicians with inept mindset regarding military solution on Kashmir then the cause is going to remain hopeless. Just chest thumping speeches does not liberate nations. And remember LOC is not international border.

2. What about the time when Imrano joined hands with PMLN PPP and other parties around 2006 to demand removal of Musharaf? Its funny how few years back the same Imrano was happy with Musharaf's decision to join WOT but later flip flopped.

3. Nah man, I will keep reminding PTI supporters here how this dajjali "leader" deceived awam to get sympathy votes with his Riyasat e Medina churan. Like I said, if PTI officially declare that Riyasat e Medina was a hoax then its game over for PTI. Dont just brush this off as if it was just slip of tongue, he knew exactly what he was doing and how to capture votes by deceitful way.
Thats the reason why I justify military involvement in Politics because if the party has projected Muslim system then my point is the real system.

4. So remove military and religion from ruling system ok got it. Now tell average PTI supporters that PTI supports separation of religion from state and watch how ape sh1t they get when they hear this.

5. I know I know he would never turn Pakistan into Riyasat e Medina but my point is that his average supporters from KPK or imrando/patwari hybrid from punjab are convinced that Imran Khan was inches away from making Pakistan super halal country. If you tell them the truth they will lose their minds and no more 2/3 majority dream for PTI. You cant feed lies to the people to gain sympathy and Pakistanis sentiments about their religion is really high.

6. Not sure why Imran khan never showed any resentment about his ties with Goldsmith network. Didnt he also support Zac Goldsmith who is a pro zio?

Investigative reporting ‘almost impossible’ in modern work culture, journalist Edward Jay Epstein says

The 87-year-old author of a new memoir talked with JNS about his Jewish ancestry, long walks with Benjamin Netanyahu and another Epstein who made headlines.

www.jns.org

When Epstein went to Israel in 1991 with the Jewish billionaire Sir James “Jimmy” Goldsmith, the two lunched with Netanyahu at an Arab restaurant.

 

[Maniiminhas]

Is it automatic that if one eye has CRVO, other eye will also get it?

 

[LC150]

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[LC150]

1. Sometimes its okay to lets go with your argument that is not going anywhere for you. Just like you accepted you were wrong with "we lost 1965 war" and moved on and hopefully you learned the lesson and wont repeat the same nonsense that we lost all wars.
Regarding your last argument about Kargil. It would be considered a munity if Musharaf had informed Nawaz before he executed his plan. That was not the case here. Not sure why Nawaz disagreed with Kargil when he was "Selected" by the establishment and didnt care much about Pakistan but only his bank accounts right? If Musharaf survived im sure he would have too.
Musharaf screwed up with not realizing the consequences of his action on Kargil. But other then that, Pakistan should have kept trying other military actions until they succeed. One surprise attack was not enough to liberate IOK. But when we have civilians and politicians with inept mindset regarding military solution on Kashmir then the cause is going to remain hopeless. Just chest thumping speeches does not liberate nations. And remember LOC is not international border.

2. What about the time when Imrano joined hands with PMLN PPP and other parties around 2006 to demand removal of Musharaf? Its funny how few years back the same Imrano was happy with Musharaf's decision to join WOT but later flip flopped.

3. Nah man, I will keep reminding PTI supporters here how this dajjali "leader" deceived awam to get sympathy votes with his Riyasat e Medina churan. Like I said, if PTI officially declare that Riyasat e Medina was a hoax then its game over for PTI. Dont just brush this off as if it was just slip of tongue, he knew exactly what he was doing and how to capture votes by deceitful way.
Thats the reason why I justify military involvement in Politics because if the party has projected Muslim system then my point is the real system.

4. So remove military and religion from ruling system ok got it. Now tell average PTI supporters that PTI supports separation of religion from state and watch how ape sh1t they get when they hear this.

5. I know I know he would never turn Pakistan into Riyasat e Medina but my point is that his average supporters from KPK or imrando/patwari hybrid from punjab are convinced that Imran Khan was inches away from making Pakistan super halal country. If you tell them the truth they will lose their minds and no more 2/3 majority dream for PTI. You cant feed lies to the people to gain sympathy and Pakistanis sentiments about their religion is really high.

6. Not sure why Imran khan never showed any resentment about his ties with Goldsmith network. Didnt he also support Zac Goldsmith who is a pro zio?

Investigative reporting ‘almost impossible’ in modern work culture, journalist Edward Jay Epstein says

The 87-year-old author of a new memoir talked with JNS about his Jewish ancestry, long walks with Benjamin Netanyahu and another Epstein who made headlines.

www.jns.org

When Epstein went to Israel in 1991 with the Jewish billionaire Sir James “Jimmy” Goldsmith, the two lunched with Netanyahu at an Arab restaurant.

bakwaas. ... ..

 

[LC150]

How exactly did Pakistan lose 1965 war by thwarting Indian invasion of Lahore and Sialkot?

because papus like you dont read history...

only ISPR hand outs

that is your level