PTI news, updates and discussions part ll

[Watandar]

Do you seriously think Imran Khan can fix Pakistan's problems if he was made leader of Pakistan since 1948 with ultimate power? Just alone his failed geopolitical policies would collapse Pakistan in one week. He does not have any practical solutions just useless speeches made for western nations situations not like Pakistan's complex sh1t show that it mostly inherited.

Btw, did Imran Khan's sauooor work in KPK for past 15 years? Bacha bazi on rampant and normalized, trash everywhere, and I am not even discussing any developments which only existed on his propaganda boards.

Imran Khan and PTI enjoyed 2/3rd majority in the KP assembly. They were elected by the people who liked their work and ignored anti-PTI propaganda. KP people have hired and fired everyone in the past, they are not like other provinces who seem stuck voting for the same party over and over.

 

[Cipher212]

Last three pages are focused on Jemima now. What is her role in PTI exactly? What is she other than an ex-wife of Imran Khan?

None of Pakistan's or PTI affairs have got anything to do with her shenanigans with Russel Brand now. She's a rich western woman living in a liberal western country. What she's been getting up to is an average Tuesday.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Ok lets remove IK from entire equation.
Now please respond and provide best course of action.

We have provided you all the solutions but you are not ready to listen, and implement it.

After studying more than 70 countries economic conditions and policies, I borrow best things from different countries, for example economic zones as a second tier of government, using automation, Blockchain, AI and using biometrics to reduce 70% to 80% bureaucracy and administrative jobs to save 12 billion dollars per year.
Because computers don’t lie, computers don’t do corruption and computer don’t do money laundering.

All of this has been explained in detail in many previous posts so don’t ask us to provide your solution because we have provided Solution many times in the past.

And please do not expect us to go back in time and fix all the blunders by our establishment

 

[Cipher212]

Ok lets remove IK from entire equation.
Now please respond and provide best course of action.

Free and fair elections to start with. Total removal of military from decision making rooms in Pakistani system, except where their domain knowledge is relevant (for example, if decision is being made regarding security or an intelligence matter)

Whoever wins, the army must respect it and not remove the sitting PM on some trumped up fake charges. Let them complete their 5 years and handover power peacefully to incoming govt.

Open up universities and colleges. Let the students have their unions back and become active in politics. Allow natural leadership to rise up. Around 70-80 student politics was totally banned. You cant be political on campus you literally risk expulsion nowadays. This is insanity.

If any Fauji feels he is superior and only he is fit to rule Pakistan, then more than welcome to resign from army and create the People's Khaki Party (PKP) and stand in election. Their election symbol will be a Malacca Cane. If people still vote for him, then you will have your modern day Salahuddin LARP.


This will be the first baseline step. The Army is basically a remnant of the British Raj at this point. It must go.

 

[Cipher212]

Thats why I gave you scenario based situation where Imran khan is given ultimate power to rule the nation. How would he have acted and tackled the consequences of his actions throughout the course of Pakistan history.
Its 1948 Mr. Jinnah apoints Imran Khan as the leader of Pakistan so please start.... i want to hear how Pakistan would have become a beacon of light under his leadership.
Because words are different from actions and all his supporters are delusional.
I have presented this scenario to almost 100 PTI supporters mainly on X and IG and not one has the mental capacity to provide a reasonable answer. Its just change the topic or insults.

It is great and convenient way to lob everything on Imran Khan. Bhai no one expects Imran Khan to fix Pakistan.

No one US president made the US what it is today. Everyone built up piece by piece what the previous one left. That is how these countries work.

Even in India, BJP despite all its rhetoric is building on top of what Congress left for it. India ne 90s me mushkil waqt guzara, IMF ke pas gaya wo. Saara fazool luxury import khatam kia, they went through all of that. Without those previous sacrifices then their current government wouldn't have anything to build off of. Unfortunately that is not what happens in Pakistan.

However, I am more interested in discussing practical things. Your Aala-e-Hazrat Mard-e-Momin Munir is in charge. Its been 4 years. Kuch kar kyu nahi paara wo?

Actually scratch that. Army has ruled this country directly for 40+ years and more indirectly. Why aren't they able to do anything?

Why is it, that when the army fails and keeps the country a shithole. It is always some external or internal unseen hidden shadowy enemy that is 'holding back' the pious fauj from fixing Pakistan? How is it that every single civilian party and federal or provincial organisation, all are corrupt and anti-state but only Army is good? Ye kaise hua?

 

[flyingorca]

Last three pages are focused on Jemima now. What is her role in PTI exactly? What is she other than an ex-wife of Imran Khan?

None of Pakistan's or PTI affairs have got anything to do with her shenanigans with Russel Brand now. She's a rich western woman living in a liberal western country. What she's been getting up to is an average Tuesday.

Awww. Maybe tell her to shut her piehole and not involve herself in Pakistan politics. Majority of PTI cult fan has made her their unofficial princess of Riyasat E Tweeter.
She constantly takes cheap shots at Pakistani leadership, supports bhagora Ail Raja and C**** Imrand Riaz and you are asking us to leave her alone? Btw, most people against her these days are Brits themselves for supporting this horney Brand guy and ditched him the moment he got arrested.

 

[Cipher212]

Awww. Maybe tell her to shut her piehole and not involve herself in Pakistan politics. Majority of PTI cult fan has made her their unofficial princess of Riyasat E Tweeter.
She constantly takes cheap shots at Pakistani leadership, supports bhagora Ail Raja and C**** Imrand Riaz and you are asking us to leave her alone? Btw, most people against her these days are Brits themselves for supporting this horney Brand guy and ditched him the moment he got arrested.

The point totally flew over your head.

She is involving herself in politics right? Then attack her on her political views? I hate Munir because of his policies and how he has seized power when he was supposed to be a soldier instead. I don't hate him for any other reason. I don't even know the guy.

Warna tou ham bhi puch saktay hay what was Bilawal doing in Europe, What was Maryam doing in the garage, and what the hell are all these general's kids doing in tinted cars.

 

[flyingorca]

So if tomorrow this geopolitical situation changes & demands free and fair elections in Pakistan — what will the Fauj then do with the current hybrid system in place?

Why are you deflecting from the topic? Thats why PTI cult is just useless keyboard warriors who do not even have a solution just bunch of theories from their imaginary Disney world.

 

[flyingorca]

Imran Khan and PTI enjoyed 2/3rd majority in the KP assembly. They were elected by the people who liked their work and ignored anti-PTI propaganda. KP people have hired and fired everyone in the past, they are not like other provinces who seem stuck voting for the same party over and over.

It almost sounds like you guys have memorized few lines that you like to fit in every conversation without understanding the context.
I gave you guys a simple scenario based question. Its 1948, PTI or what ever civilian rule is in charge of Pakistan with Fauj under its command. If you have the mental capacity, please explain how this people mandate elected government would have handled Pakistan throughout course of its history.

 

[flyingorca]

We have provided you all the solutions but you are not ready to listen, and implement it.

After studying more than 70 countries economic conditions and policies, I borrow best things from different countries, for example economic zones as a second tier of government, using automation, Blockchain, AI and using biometrics to reduce 70% to 80% bureaucracy and administrative jobs to save 12 billion dollars per year.
Because computers don’t lie, computers don’t do corruption and computer don’t do money laundering.

All of this has been explained in detail in many previous posts so don’t ask us to provide your solution because we have provided Solution many times in the past.

And please do not expect us to go back in time and fix all the blunders by our establishment

Seriously this is your response? Implementing freaking AI in 1948?

 

[flyingorca]

Free and fair elections to start with. Total removal of military from decision making rooms in Pakistani system, except where their domain knowledge is relevant (for example, if decision is being made regarding security or an intelligence matter)

I already gave you that scenario that its 1948 and fauj is under civilian command. You are just repeating samething over and over again without addressing the elephant in the room.

For a start.

Kashmir issue- there is no doubt that India had territorial ambition in kashmir, and need to know how Pakistan would tackle this issue. Its easy to say that Kashmir issue can be resolved with India with dialogues but for India entire kashmir is mine.
Durand line with Afghanistan- you have two hostile negbiours and Afg does not recognize your borders with them.
East Pakistan - how was Pakistan supposed to economically support geographically seperated two parts with poor economy and hostile India in middle.

Whoever wins, the army must respect it and not remove the sitting PM on some trumped up fake charges. Let them complete their 5 years and handover power peacefully to incoming govt.

I already agrees with that in the scenario i provided.

Open up universities and colleges. Let the students have their unions back and become active in politics. Allow natural leadership to rise up. Around 70-80 student politics was totally banned. You cant be political on campus you literally risk expulsion nowadays. This is insanity.

How do you magically start opening universities in late 1940s and 50s with poor economy?

If any Fauji feels he is superior and only he is fit to rule Pakistan, then more than welcome to resign from army and create the People's Khaki Party (PKP) and stand in election. Their election symbol will be a Malacca Cane. If people still vote for him, then you will have your modern day Salahuddin LARP.

This will be the first baseline step. The Army is basically a remnant of the British Raj at this point. It must go.

Democracy is not remnant of British raj? I mean they are they one who introduced this system and replaced what ever remaining Islamic system there was before they arrived.

 

[flyingorca]

It is great and convenient way to lob everything on Imran Khan. Bhai no one expects Imran Khan to fix Pakistan.

No one? Have you spoken with any of his supporters? Just ask 10 people if Imran khan can fix Pakistan if he is given the power and 9 of them will say yes. And btw, vote me and I will fix Pakistan was pretty much his slogan in every other of his rally.

No one US president made the US what it is today. Everyone built up piece by piece what the previous one left. That is how these countries work.

You guys are so out of touch of the ground reality in Pakistan. Comparing Pakistan situation with US
its like saying, just start acting like a billionaire and you too can become a billionaire.

Even in India, BJP despite all its rhetoric is building on top of what Congress left for it. India ne 90s me mushkil waqt guzara, IMF ke pas gaya wo. Saara fazool luxury import khatam kia, they went through all of that. Without those previous sacrifices then their current government wouldn't have anything to build off of. Unfortunately that is not what happens in Pakistan.

Each nation has ita own unique situations and some are favorable and some are not. India during 90s had more favorable situations which was also supported by west and pretty much entire world and had better economical opportunities. They were never dragged in someone else's wars like Pakistan specially im 80s and 2000s. Did Pakistan had control over USSR invasion of Afghanistan? No. Could Pakistan say absolutely not to US when its global influence was at its peak? NO
So just these two factors are enough to conclude that Pakistan did not have favorable economical situation for long term economical growth other then some short term relief it received.

However, I am more interested in discussing practical things. Your Aala-e-Hazrat Mard-e-Momin Munir is in charge. Its been 4 years. Kuch kar kyu nahi paara wo?

no I am not interested in discussing your topics all the time. Now its your turn to answer my questions.

Actually scratch that. Army has ruled this country directly for 40+ years and more indirectly. Why aren't they able to do anything

Why is it, that when the army fails and keeps the country a shithole. It is always some external or internal unseen hidden shadowy enemy that is 'holding back' the pious fauj from fixing Pakistan? How is it that every single civilian party and federal or provincial organisation, all are corrupt and anti-state but only Army is good? Ye kaise hua?

Dont divert the topic to escape. If you do not want to participate in my discussion then you can either stop responding to me or I will just ignore you moving forward.