Oh bhai, you guys aren't even capable of sticking to a specific topic for once. You just keep repeating the same mantra without staying on track. Whatever lines you've memorized, you try to force them into every conversation, no matter what the topic is. It's the exact same tactic used by Indiaands, who always bring up 1971 or Kargil regardless what the topic is.
Ok and? I know many people from GB. I have heard stories of what NLI went through. Curse open the generals for abandoning our own boys on peaks to die.
Curse upon them for surrendering to a hindu army in 1971. They should have all died fighting if they are the mujahideen they claim to be.
Nothing that Imran Khan has done in his 3.5 years comes even close to what the army has done in 70+ years to this country that had great potential. There is no comparison.
The reason why discussing history is important is because it provides you the structure to actually understand what is going on today. Without that structure, current events just look like random things happening out of nowhere instead of being connected to the past. When you know the history, you can see why things are the way they are but I do not expect intellectual conversation with mentally unstable cult who believe the word their leader says which has no practical implementation.
Yes, learning from the mistakes of history is important. Military rule has destroyed Pakistan and trying it again and again is reaping no benefits for Pakistan. Generals far greater than Munir have come and gone, didn't do anything but further erode civilian power structure.
Imran Khan made mistake. Like I have said thousand times over. His worst mistake was taking army hand to become PM in 2010-2011 year. From there till 2022 when his honeymoon ended and he was ousted totals out to a ~12 years. 3.5 years as PM. 13 years provincial government in KPK which now has been squashed by a 'governor rule'.
So was Imran perfect? Nope not at all. Was he going to fix Pakistan? Nope. So why support him then?
Because AFTER he made this mistake, he became anti-establishment and hasn't changed a bit since 2022. That is consistency. He has had numerous offers to take a deal both before and after he went into jail and he didn't take it. Thats principled enough for me.
Whether his ex-wife is a jew or a christian or he used to party in his youth is all irrelevant to me. I have friends who have become soldiers. I know wo kitna party kartay. Tomorrow they will be chiefs as well.
I am not letting 1948 slide for your convenience so you can continue your propaganda without understanding the context.
Also, I have noticed new wave of libturd Imranists on social media peddling yet another conspiracy theory that Fauj created this animosity with India and if Fauj is removed then Pakistan can benifit alot from India. This is noting but PTI followers desperate attempt to stay relevant otherwise without lies PTI dies.
So, if Fauj is the root cause for conflict with India then how does civilian elected government resolve the issue? Give up IOK? Okay.... will that satisfy India? They want your Kashmir too so give that up for the new PTI abu?
I have no idea about this neither did I ever say anything like this so I'm not replying to this one.
Since your cult leader Imran brainwashed his supporters (most of them are conservative Muslims) that if he gets into power then he will restore Riyasat e Medina. This is no longer just a political slogan but a false hope and promise upon which he was able to get majority of people on his side. Pakistanis in general do not want to take any accountability and just want a Imam Mehdi to fix everything for them. These blind followers literally think Imran Khan is undeclared Prophet of Islam.
And I have many more videos like this.
You maybe liberal minded but most of his supporters are still conservative Muslims who do see Imrand less then Imam Mehdi.
For that reason I brought Islamic references when they say Fauj ka koya taluk hai politics mai.
In modern Democracy- Fauj has no taluk with politics
In Islamic history - it has all thr taluk.
So I am just giving them taste of their own medicine when ever they associate Islam with that Imran.
Yes he should not have used the 'Riyasat-e-Madina' example. It was cringe. However, if you are a fauj supporter than you have zero ground to criticise this. Pakistan army literally propogates a myth that they are the black flag army from Khorasan. I can show you a video right now of an actual pak army officer saying this propaganda.
Zia Ul Haq literally ruled this country on the basis of Islam. He even held a referendum that went something like do you want Islam or no? And voting for Islam meant voting for him.
Then we have all the Islam infused ISPR music. The Ghazwa-e-Hind stuff. I mean, sure you can rag on Imran for talking about Madina but you are very much standing in a glass house.
Dont get too excited, i aint letting you go that easy.
ok
Alright alright, I will stop glorifying Mughals
but can I use Ottoman empire reference since it was Imran Khan certified?
Remember he personally lauched Ertugrul Urdu dubbed drama in Pakistan and almost every other Imrano started keeping long hair to look like Ottoman warrior?
So explain why doesnt PTI clarify that Riyasat e Medina was just a churan to get sympathy votes from conservative Muslim supporters?
No, Ottomans don't count either. They are a relic of the past now. When Imran shared that drama I remember used to focus on the Islamic practices. Not the specific power structure depicted in it.
Ottomans were defeated by modern superpowers and if we don't want to go the way of the Ottomans we need to stop putting our faith in dressed up military boys and adopt modern systems.
Those same descendants of Ottomans stood on top of tanks to save their elected PM and stop a martial law. Few brave soldiers fired at their own comrades to prevent the coup from happening. It was an amazing sight.
Fauj ka siyasat se koi taluq nahi hona chahiye. Full and final.
When world is driving cars why do you insist on riding horseback.
