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[rafale]

This is why so many civilians want a change to the design of the system; to give a better feedback mechanism, that ultimately benefits all in the long run. Alas.

If you think civilians are better, just look at how procurement and decisions are done in the state owned enterprises.....or even the provincial and federal governments as well.

Civilians in corporate/private do a better job because there are, usually, systems and balances in place to make sure you are getting the best bang for buck.

But hoping civilians can do better from a bureaucracy that is outright corrupt is like living in a fantasy land.

 

[puttputt]

If you think civilians are better, just look at how procurement and decisions are done in the state owned enterprises.....or even the provincial and federal governments as well.

Civilians in corporate/private do a better job because there are, usually, systems and balances in place to make sure you are getting the best bang for buck.

But hoping civilians can do better from a bureaucracy that is outright corrupt is like living in a fantasy land.

Do tell me what the P&Ls are at SOEs like HIT, PAC, POF, etc. They're as subsidized and inefficient as PIA, PSML, etc, because the basic problem is the same... WE ARE NOT LETTING QUALIFIED PEOPLE RUN THE INSTITUTIONS.

It's not a military thing. It's not a civilian thing. It's rather, our political and military elites have divided fiefdoms using publicly funded SOEs and are not running them efficiently because the ones WHO DO KNOW, WHO DO HAVE EXPERTISE, WHO DO ASK QUESTIONS, have been cut out.

That's the issue here.

PS: PAEC is a SOE too. Is it run by a general? Which general? Who runs NESCOM? Why is it that our nuclear program, biggest drones, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, SSMs, etc., are all, I don't know, led by civilians?

 

[Princeps]

Ok but the Kornet being >1m is just as bad if not worse. Can't rule out internal corruption.

 

[Ak01]

Ok but the Kornet being >1m is just as bad if not worse. Can't rule out internal corruption.

fwiw, these numbers may be launchers only, and not missiles alone.

 

[FuturePAF]

If you think civilians are better, just look at how procurement and decisions are done in the state owned enterprises.....or even the provincial and federal governments as well.

Civilians in corporate/private do a better job because there are, usually, systems and balances in place to make sure you are getting the best bang for buck.

But hoping civilians can do better from a bureaucracy that is outright corrupt is like living in a fantasy land.

It’s about the caliber of the civilians. Most high ranking current CCP officials in China are engineers. In our case if if don’t put subject matter experts, even from the military, we can’t expect top results of oversight from a technical point of view. Regardless of military or civilian.

This is why China had the 1000 talents program. Top subject matter experts leading and overseeing programs. The result was 7000 of the world’s best talents from across all ethnic Chinese populations, at home or abroad came and lead programs and made sure they worked. Was there incompetence, probably not more than any other technical staff could do. Was there corruption, perhaps, but programs were done quickly and probably within a budget.

This is why I recommend the book on Japan’s “MITI”, laying out how Japan, with their warrior/post-warrior led society, incorporated their best trained talent, to modernize.