Reason behind the Rise & Fall of the Muslim Mind & Power?

[mulj]

It is somewhat wrong premise, mind and power is here today what muslim world has lost is ability to produce superior means for violence.

 

[ST1976]

The Persians and peoples of Middle East prior to Islam were advanced in science and technology

It's widely discussed on forums, Technology is weakest on the land of Islam....

It's also discussed widely on forums, how entry of Islam in other countries helped then learn/ study science from domestic religions, like in Persians
Islam is 'foreign' religion on the land of Persia and Hindustan also. It's discussed, as compared to 'home/domestic ' religions. Inviting 'foreign' Gods with reduced science and technology education, couldn't be proved worth

 

[Goenitz]

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[ST1976]

There's no proof jiziya was universally imposed during mughal rule. With the only exception of Aurangzeb almost all were drunk atheists or polytheist. Besides mughal rule where they controlled large parts of India only lasted around 150 years, not enough to change the dynamics of conversions and converts.

I remember, the Jaziya Tax was mainly to defend Hindu religion, and related tax. while those poorest among Dalits, who used to covert for benefits on the name of Islam , were mostly untouchables of Hindu community......

We have news that Akbar was of Dalit's lower end race, while immigrant Babur was bit better race than Akbar. The racial difference with Hindus encouraged Dalits lower end converts into Islam

 

[fitpOsitive]

Modern Western monetary system aka banking system defeated us. That's the weapon we don't have any defense against.
End of story.

 

[Tabmachine]

The elites of the west are in league with the devil. Their is a spiritual war going in our world, and our enemies are aligned with the dark forces: the masons, various other orders. They are inundated with magic. They use this to advantage themselves, scientifically, politically.

We on the other hand have been thoroughly disconnected from Allah. This was engineered in our societies, as soon as they got the opportunity, for a reason. How can we fight a war, when we dont perceive a war, and when we are not aligned with Allah, his Angels and other servants?

We can not succeed without the help of Allah. Better to say, we can only succeed as helpers of Allah. He has conditioned our victory accordingly.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

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I just came to know that earlier Muslim scholars were from the merchant class, like many Prophets. These scholars were independent in their opinion and were not under the government's patronage.

This freedom of idea was the man reason for early rise of Islam.

@_NOBODY_ @Waz @HRK

It doesn't help when you have Muslims like the gulfis who start worshipping white europeans and zionists. That sort of behaviour will make you low IQ and inferior.

 

[FuturePAF]

An interesting video on a mid 19th century thinker and how the two nation theory was a nearly century old idea by the time of independence.

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[ST1976]

It is somewhat wrong premise, mind and power is here today what muslim world has lost is ability to produce superior means for violence.

I would favor a permanent seat in UNSC for representative of Arab League. As it's fair

 

[Goenitz]

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[samsite84]

I find it convenient and lazy to do an analysis at the level of "Muslims". Over the last 1500 years or so, Muslims have not been a monolith and have enjoyed the mind and power in bits and pieces - similar to most other religions, regions.

I would argue that there was a rise of Islam and it appealed to a large number of people but that is about it. I don't think there is a common Muslim mind or Muslim power as many people like to "bundle"

Even today, if you look at a Indonesia or Turkey, its remarkably different than Kazakhistan or Ehiopia. Maybe there was a "Muslim Ummah" at the start. As the religion expanded the influence and ethos of Ummah got diluted (which is natural).

Today, people are more recognized by nation state vs. religion. Btw does Islam call for Ummah (in Quran) ?

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

It is somewhat wrong premise, mind and power is here today what muslim world has lost is ability to produce superior means for violence.

The demigods that propelled minions at seeming ad infinitum to work and offer services for little to nothing in return...
Where lenders became masters of destiny ... delivering prosperity or destitution at will! Rearranging priorities even manipulating beliefs... the master race, slick and dark, chosen... demanding you'd be blessed if you blessed them and damned if you don’t!

There is nothing what a little money can't do... sway people or bend wills. So yes... mass mobilization, mass production, ivory towers, control and mass surveillance ...
No one saw that coming. Ones possessed by demon with an eye on the ball never blinked from their mission. All it does is make it longest of long cons... and it goes on unabated.

 

[Sam6536]

Everything has a peak then it plateaus and finally collapses. Every civilisation has gone through it. Every civilisation and religion still exists in some form.

Right now the most paramount think for a country is sovereignty and the best thing to protect sovereignty is Nationalism. A citizen is a subject of the state i.e. a core part of the said sovereignty concept.

The concept of nation states and ideology has evolved a lot. If you still think in the abstract sense of religion and a shared common identity you'll be left behind, it's egalitarian thinking in a sense. That era is behind us.

 

[r3alist]

Right now the most paramount think for a country is sovereignty and the best thing to protect sovereignty is Nationalism

This is ironic.

In fact hilarious.

Reverse all legal migration too, Europe and USA, since sovereignty is paramount.

 

[Sam6536]

This is ironic.

In fact hilarious.

Reverse all legal migration too, Europe and USA, since sovereignty is paramount.

Well they are trying to do that right now. You can't do much about naturalised citizens but they're indeed trying to limit immigration especially from races not their own. Even among whites you'll find them not being receptive to Ukrainian migrants for instance.

What happened in EU and the US was globalisation. They are hooked on to cheap labour and are trying to wean off it now.