Russia-Ukraine War - News, Discussions & Updates
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Trump ending the war in 24h is just pure fantasy. how can he do that? that’s impossible.
it’s Putin who can end the war. nobody else.
the only realistic option, Trump gives Ukraine nuclear weapons.
UKBengali
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So Zelensky knows the game is up and will give up Crimea, Donbas + lots of others territory that Russia now holds, when he could have just given up Crimea and Donbas to Putin back in April 2022 and the war would have ended there and then.
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Mr Zelensky hinted in his interview that the “Nato umbrella” would not be full membership of Nato, something Putin has rejected as part of any peace deal.
Rather, it could mean Nato member states, including Britain, the US, France and Germany, providing individual security guarantees to Ukraine."
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Zelensky: I’ll give up Ukrainian territory to Russia to achieve peace
President says for first time that his country could cede land temporarily in exchange for protection of a ‘Nato umbrella’"
Mr Zelensky hinted in his interview that the “Nato umbrella” would not be full membership of Nato, something Putin has rejected as part of any peace deal.
Rather, it could mean Nato member states, including Britain, the US, France and Germany, providing individual security guarantees to Ukraine."
F-22Raptor
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Ukraine independence and alignment with the West under NATO protection is a strategic victory for Ukraine and the West.
That’s a strategic defeat for Russia. I could care less if Russia captures the Donbass or not.
F-22Raptor
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Russian losses now at 19,300
UKBengali
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This is not Nato membership but a replay of the 1994 “Security Guarantees” for giving up its nuclear weapons.
Ukraine is going to give up 20% of its territory to Putin.
F-22Raptor
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Ukraine independence and Western alignment is a strategic defeat for the Russians. This has been obvious for 2 years now.
NATO forces will deployed in Ukraine and Ukraine will be independent and Western aligned. I’ve been saying this for the last year
F-22Raptor
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The Russians are also suffering another strategic defeat in Syria
UKBengali
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Ukraine independence and Western alignment is a strategic defeat for the Russians. This has been obvious for 2 years now.
NATO forces will deployed in Ukraine and Ukraine will be independent and Western aligned. I’ve been saying this for the last year
Maybe you want to talk to Trump who wants 20 years before they revisit Ukraine getting into Nato.
Now the deal is worse than the one Putin initially offered in April 2022.
I really think that Putin is not going to care for a few thousand British, French and Polish troops "policing" the new border between the rump Ukraine and enlarged Russia.
Russia has won and is now a battle-hardened military power.
F-22Raptor
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No, Russia has been strategically defeated. Ukraine is independent and now aligned with the West for generations. NATO has expanded as well.
700,000 dead and wounded Russians, 19,300 equipment losses. Its Army has been shredded and humiliated.
Russias goal of overthrowing Zelensky and installing a puppet failed. No one cares about the Donbass. You honestly think we gave Ukraine all this aid…..to defend the Donbass?
No, it was to keep Ukraine independent from Russian influence and bring them into the Western orbit. Thats a strategic victory for the West and defeat for Russia.
TopGun786
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Very strange and laughable logic.
I can see how much this hurt to you and your friends.
Your constant rhetoric of "strategic defeat & strategic victory" has turned now into a "meme".
Russia is still intact there, Ukraine is destroyed and cannot regain on her feet in coming decades.... even if provided full technical support and monetary funding.... Was which it will not, as it will soon be a burden and will be abandoned by West... West has no moral sympathy with Ukraine, they used her for their war games.
Well, seems like Russia is going to take the territory and USA and allies are going to leave with an insulted face.
TopGun786
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You can comfort yourself with lame excuses.No, Russia has been strategically defeated. Ukraine is independent and now aligned with the West for generations. NATO has expanded as well.
700,000 dead and wounded Russians, 19,300 equipment losses. Its Army has been shredded and humiliated.
Russias goal of overthrowing Zelensky and installing a puppet failed. No one cares about the Donbass. You honestly think we gave Ukraine all this aid…..to defend the Donbass?
No, it was to keep Ukraine independent from Russian influence and bring them into the Western orbit. Thats a strategic victory for the West and defeat for Russia.
I find very weird. on one side lots of people condemn western aggression, but at same time these same people welcome eastern aggression.
the russians have the largest landmass on earth, what they want with more landmass from Ukraine?
that 20 percent will not add much into Russia, in exchange for hundreds thousands if not millions of deaths.
but I doubt Putin would be happy with 20 percent. his aim is the total destruction of Ukraine.
Putin gets the return from his unprovoked, aggressive nuclear threat. the ruble is in free fall, now 1 ruble is worth 0.0094 dollar.
the russians get poorer if they don’t have dollars, euro, swiss franc or yuan.
the russians get poorer if they don’t have dollars, euro, swiss franc or yuan.
the russians die en mass. their tanks explode in mine fields, if not destroyed by Ukraine artillery, drones, missiles.
Putin seems having unlimited mountains of men, tanks, and materials.
Ukraine army urgently needs more soldiers.
Putin seems having unlimited mountains of men, tanks, and materials.
Ukraine army urgently needs more soldiers.
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