Russia-Ukraine War - News, Discussions & Updates
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Corax
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How are you any different? He's just posting material from the Russian point of view. If anyone does that it's "spamming", but when you or anyone else posts from the West point of view it's "informative posting" is it?
How's your predictions going by the way? You've been saying for over 2 years now that the Russians will "run out of ammo in a few months" so funny the way you keep shifting your timelines.
Corax
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It's really interesting seeing so much US and NATO equipment being destroyed. We've been used to seeing Russian and Soviet junk being destroyed in so many conflicts around the world, from the Middle East to numerous conflicts in the Balkans, Africa, and Asia. I guess US equipment is fine going up against goat farmers but not so great against even the most modest of decent apposing forces.
TopGun786
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So you are proud that you are a troll by single usernane since 10 years?
TopGun786
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He is a typical thick skinned hypocrite. Now everyone knows him very well. Especially his views on Palestinian genocide by israhell exposed him fully.
Nuffle
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His problem is that he cannot bear the idea of seeing Western equipment destroyed in Ukraine because it breaks the myth of the invincibility of Western weaponry.
The only thing that satisfies this guy is seeing Russians and Russian military materials exploding.
There in the SDF he is more restrained (especially about China) because he knows that the level is higher there and that's why he doesn't talk as much nonsense as he does here.
Nuffle
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No. Ukraine needs at least 130 fighters. This is the minimum quantity.
Ukraine has four regional air defense zones.
Within each of these zones, PS ZSU operates to allow for the best distribution of resources, both aerial and SAMs, in addition to supporting ground forces wherever and whenever required.
The most important regional air defense zone is that of Kiev in the north of the country, with the hottest being the second and third, respectively, in the area of Kharkiv and Donbass and Odessa and Mykolaiv.
The fourth zone is in the west of the country in the Lviv region, bordering NATO countries.
Each of these zones is primarily responsible for the air defense of the region under its responsibility. So, when the Ukrainians do their calculations regarding the number of fighters needed for their air war against the Russians, they are also thinking about the coverage of these 4 zones.
Roughly speaking, the last inquiry regarding the number of fighters for the PS ZSU was 130 units, which would allow for the distribution of around 32 fighters for each regional air defense zone between these 4 zones.
This amount is slightly larger than a North American fighter squadron of 24 units. In other words, it is possible to maintain a reasonable availability of a single squadron in each regional air zone. This is speaking in times of war. This quantity would be the minimum to be able to carry out typical air defense activities, both for fighters, drones and missiles entering the country.
In any case, to maintain an operational squadron providing air defense and supporting ground forces, with such a number they will always be operating at the limit, considering losses and unavailability of fighters for maintenance.
And as we know, the Russians will literally hunt down all the F-16s that Ukraine obtains, so that no air base is safe and even on the roads and/or hiding in underground bases, the lives of these aerial vectors will be very complicated, having You have to defend and attack at the same time.
In any case, for the PS ZSU to have the possibility of carrying out the country's air defense and also meeting the needs of attack missions, it requires much more than 130 fighters.
In this aspect, a minimally operational squadron must have at least 12 to 16 units, which is not enough in times of conflict, in order to offer relative air defense operations capacity.
In this aspect, perhaps the Gripen and F-16 complement each other, since the Swedish fighter can very well operate primarily as an air defense, interception and air superiority fighter, competing with the Sukhoi for dominance of the airspace over Ukraine, leaving the F-16 air-to-surface missions.
As the Swedish fighter can carry up to 4 AIM-120s under the wings, and two AIM-9s at the tips, this configuration, if used well, can greatly disrupt the lives of Russian pilots, especially if the Swedish fighters can operate against aerial targets. active within Russian territory, for which they do not necessarily need to leave their own country. And this is an indisputable capability if Kiev's so-called allies really want the country to not only defend itself from Russian air attacks, but also to dominate its airspace in order to objectively prevent such attacks.
Thus, Kiev takes into account being able to count on Swedish fighters for its air defense with an eye on at least 48 to 64 units, which today would be basically impossible to obtain, given that the Swedish air force cannot give up such a quantity .
But this is the real price that has to be paid for PS ZSU to truly be able to defend the country's airspace. Whether they will succeed in the medium and long term, we will see in the coming months.
Continuing to play proxy war is no longer possible. Either go headlong into this business to win, or simply stop fooling around and let the Ukrainians make do with what they have in their hands. The consequences are known.
Ghostkiller
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Guys, this isn't a dick-measuring contest about who will post more and create more pages. It is ruining the thread.
Shanlung
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USA not even fine when fighting goats and sheep farmers.
Or even fishermen of Somalia
USA won wars only against kids as Albright very happily agreed.
Just to refresh America memories of the times they thought they can go in and clobber goat herders and sheep herders
And America came out then with turds running out from the legs of their pants
And even at that, America got a miserable record of victories over 3rd world helpless countries.
America record against 500,00 kids a lot better though
Neither did USA win in Somalia either :enjoy:
Did USA win in Iraq?
USA said they won
Like Tojo claiming win for Japan after TORA TORA TORA
mghaha:USA tried and tried to kill Sadr and his supporters.
And this the final result in Iraq
The only wars USA won since WW2 were wars USA fought against Panama, Nicaragua and Grenada.
What was the military edge USA have over a bunch of separate goat herders in Afghan? Do not even need the entire fucking country of Afghan.
10,000 to 1 ?
leasantry:Or is it the Afghan goat herders have military technology greater than USA??
I finished reading “the Outpost” by Jake Tapper. How a bunch of goat herders in Afghan with AKs and rpgs and IEDs (because they do not have billion dollar industry to make bombs like USA, can only make bombs in backyard on a DIY basis) taking out USA brave men despite they having 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships and billions of dollars backing them and not so good in protecting them.
If USA fought bravely with massive firepower behind them, then what about the goat herders with only AKs and RPGs fighting against USA knowing they fighting against 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships ?
Even more fucking brave is the least I can say of the Afghans goat herders. Who were untrained knowing only how to herd goats unlike the USA special forces who went through countless hours and weeks and months learning how to kill and kill.
Yet who won? And who left Afghan?:enjoy:
Maybe USA army should consider making their fighting folks do a course in goat herding . As who knows, maybe herding goats might be better to build up fighting skills.
leasantry:
USA got fucked when USA tried that in Afghan . Against a bunch of tribesmen when USA had 1000 the firepower over them. And after a trillion of dollars what have USA got to show in Afghan? :yay:
Why did the United States of America fail to win the war in Afghanistan even after 17 years? Why does the lone superpower fail to defeat a group of goat herders?
mghaha:WW2 against Hitler was won largely by USSR who take down and took out 80% of the best and most powerful divisions and fighting force of Hitler and America and UK took on a bunch of invalids send for R&R in Normandy
Your formidable fighting force in Pacific with battleships and carriers and planes and submarines fought and killed 200,000 japs in Okinawa and Guam and other Pacific islands
China with barely any arms killed nearly 2,000,000 japs .
China had less arms given to them then the surrounded German Army under Marshall Paulus received at Stalingrad.
Viet
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This proxy war argument is just a cheap joke. By that logic the USSR was a proxy baby in the war against Germany because the Soviets received weapons from US, UK. Because without support from the west USSR probably lost the war.
What’s about Putin getting money from Ccp, artillery shells from North Korea, drones from Iran? So ok, Russia is a cheap proxy aggressor.
The russians field 300 fighter jets and bombers against Ukraine. Yes of course 130 western jets are better than 120. Still lower than number of the russians.
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