Russia-Ukraine War - News, Discussions & Updates

[Yommie]

endkampf

Ukraine launches a recuitment compaign for young men.

as result mass of youngster between 18y-24y storming Ukraine recuitment centers.

- those men will receive a bonus of $24,000 for one year contract
- $3,000 a month
- bonus for university, home purchase

Krieg in der Ukraine: Kiew lockt junge Ukrainer mit Prämie zum Kriegsdienst

Der Ukraine fehlen Soldaten für die Verteidigung. Mit finanziellen Anreizen möchte Kiew deshalb von der Mobilisierung verschonte junge Männer zum Fronteinsatz bewegen.

www.handelsblatt.com

Young men are not fine warriors. The German army did that towards the end of WW2 and found out young soldiers are not good warriors and surrender easily.

 

[Viet]

maybe just a **** off sign to Trump

Ukraine strikes an oil pump station inside Russia operated by US oil companies.

Ukraine’s SBU drone strikes a refinery in Ryazan. The White House is said to have grown frustrated by brazen Ukrainian drone attacks © Video grab via Reuters

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2025/02/17/news/world/drone-strike-hits-chevron-exxon-oil-exports-via-russia/

 

[Mobius]

Why would Europeans allow that ?

Whether you like it or not, this is reality. Europe will suffer massively by continuing their aggression. Without complete US support, the war is not sustainable.

 

[KingQamaR]

Trump is wrong.

Ukraine can ignore US demand.
that’s unacceptable.
the US wants a deal with Russia to cut off Ukraine like cutting a cake and share among themselves.

the US wanted to keep Viet Nam divided too. we know how it ended.

this war will be settled on battlefield.

no negotiation

in fact Zielinski already rejected Trump’s ultimatum.

The Northern Vietnamese met with the US while the South Vietnamese were not invited. History does indeed rhyme.

 

[Viet]

The Northern Vietnamese met with the US while the South Vietnamese were not invited. History does indeed rhyme.

of course nothing is free in this world.
you think China can reunite with Taiwan with a bunch of flowers or red roses?
no way.
the Chinese will eventually make the decision.
the Vietnamese paid for reunification with bloods.

as for Ukraine there is no way the US can force Ukraine to surrender.
otherwise they can go straight to gas chambers.
the russians would not spare of anyone.

 

[KingQamaR]

of course nothing is free in this world.
you think China can reunite with Taiwan with a bunch of flowers or red roses?
no way.
the Chinese will eventually make the decision.

as for Ukraine there is no way the US can force Ukraine to surrender.
otherwise they can go straight to gas chambers.
the russians would not spare of anyone.

Ukraine has to be at the table after it’s all decided, to sign the capitulation.

 

[j_hungary]

The Northern Vietnamese met with the US while the South Vietnamese were not invited. History does indeed rhyme.

Problem is, Russia is not making any progress in the field to be able to benefit from anything if the war stopped now. That is not proportional to the loss they suffered, setting aside the Russia would need to actually rebuild the occupied territories to begin with, that would make their own economic situation worse, it's already as bad as it is.

Ukraine on the other hand, have options. And one of them is going nuclear, read an article a couple of weeks ago, Ukraine is opened to restart their nuclear weapon development as a deterrent if NATO membership or nuclear deterrence from NATO cannot be had, and they would already have head start with their own nuclear power station. So Trump can't afford to actually push Ukraine too far without Russian progress in the field, it will bounce back.

And finally, unlike in Vietnam and Afghanistan, which Trump again negotiate peace with Taliban without the Afghan contribution, US boots was not present in Ukraine, and Ukraine largely been able to withstand Russian onslaught. And more importantly, Ukraine have the know how to build their own weapon, all the way up to Nuclear Weapon. The best Russia is looking at is to capture Donbas as a whole and trade off Kursk with partially occupied Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, that is the best they can hope for, and it's not going to happen within the next 15 to 20 years if we judge by the progress they were making in the last 3 years. So, even if Trump can make peace between Ukraine and Russia with Ukraine abandoning NATO dream, this is not going to change the dynamic because even if Russia can force a election (which is highly doubted) there are currently only 2 acceptable candidate, it's either Zelenskyy or form AFU commander in chief Zaluzhnyi, it's not going to be pro-Russia and chance of any Russian interference is very low because them being a hostile neighbor. This is not going to change in the decade or two, certainly not going to change when Trump done his term as President.

 

[Viet]

Ukraine has to be at the table after it’s all decided, to sign the capitulation.

that’s still a long way.
there is not anything close to that.
Ukraine army is still intact.

 

[j_hungary]

Ukraine has to be at the table after it’s all decided, to sign the capitulation.

Capitulation of what?

Russia hold no card at all on Ukraine, in fact, it's a big question mark whether or not Russia have enough power to make another push, the situation in Ukraine had gone out that most analyst agree Zelenskyy can literally show Trump the middle finger (which is what he is doing) unless US join the war in Russia side, Russia is no longer a threat to Ukraine, they won't be able to make Kramatorsk in the next 4 years, while Ukraine is okay to lose the entire Donbas if NATO membership is on the table, if I were Zelenskyy, I would just let the war play out, I mean, remember what I said back in August last year? had you seen Russian moved on either the North or South?

 

[Viet]

Capitulation of what?

Russia hold no card at all on Ukraine, in fact, it's a big question mark whether or not Russia have enough power to make another push, the situation in Ukraine had gone out that most analyst agree Zelenskyy can literally show Trump the middle finger (which is what he is doing) unless US join the war in Russia side, Russia is no longer a threat to Ukraine, they won't be able to make Kramatorsk in the next 4 years, while Ukraine is okay to lose the entire Donbas if NATO membership is on the table, if I were Zelenskyy, I would just let the war play out, I mean, remember what I said back in August last year? had you seen Russian moved on either the North or South?

those war boys live in fantasy.
as long as the russians don’t take Kiev, don’t crush the Ukraine army
then
Ukraine can fight this war forever.

 

[j_hungary]

those war boys live in fantasy.

2024 is a turning point for Ukraine, its the time when EU material and military aid actually over the US, and in fact, it's 2 times as much as the US, now EU accounts for 50% of Ukraine aid while US fall behind in 27 or 28

Ukraine Support Tracker: Europe clearly overtakes US, with total commitments now twice as large

Europe has clearly overtaken the United States in promised aid to Ukraine, with total European commitments now being twice as large. A main reason is the EU’s new €50 billion “Ukraine Facility,” but also other European countries have upped their support with new multi-year packages. For the...

www.ifw-kiel.de

Sure, it would be a hit for Ukraine if Ukraine loses all US aid, but then the issue again is, couple with Russian inability to make progress. That is not going to be a decisive factor the Russian is banking on.

 

[KingQamaR]

Problem is, Russia is not making any progress in the field to be able to benefit from anything if the war stopped now. That is not proportional to the loss they suffered, setting aside the Russia would need to actually rebuild the occupied territories to begin with, that would make their own economic situation worse, it's already as bad as it is.

Ukraine on the other hand, have options. And one of them is going nuclear, read an article a couple of weeks ago, Ukraine is opened to restart their nuclear weapon development as a deterrent if NATO membership or nuclear deterrence from NATO cannot be had, and they would already have head start with their own nuclear power station. So Trump can't afford to actually push Ukraine too far without Russian progress in the field, it will bounce back.

And finally, unlike in Vietnam and Afghanistan, which Trump again negotiate peace with Taliban without the Afghan contribution, US boots was not present in Ukraine, and Ukraine largely been able to withstand Russian onslaught. And more importantly, Ukraine have the know how to build their own weapon, all the way up to Nuclear Weapon. The best Russia is looking at is to capture Donbas as a whole and trade off Kursk with partially occupied Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, that is the best they can hope for, and it's not going to happen within the next 15 to 20 years if we judge by the progress they were making in the last 3 years. So, even if Trump can make peace between Ukraine and Russia with Ukraine abandoning NATO dream, this is not going to change the dynamic because even if Russia can force a election (which is highly doubted) there are currently only 2 acceptable candidate, it's either Zelenskyy or form AFU commander in chief Zaluzhnyi, it's not going to be pro-Russia and chance of any Russian interference is very low because them being a hostile neighbor. This is not going to change in the decade or two, certainly not going to change when Trump done his term as President.

One thing I have wondered about in recent days is what Russia might be willing to give up, sure there will be some bits and pieces of gains up as to difficult to defend? Ukrainian gamble on occupying bits in Kursk to use for negotiations against Russia! Moscow already said Kursk is non-negotiable. They have said won’t trade anything for it. And I highly doubt a ceasefire proposal from your secretary state ( Rubio) to Moscow will be excepted by Russians. This about momentum is obvious Russia is making big advances across the entire breadth of the battle lines. Russia is winning and suddenly they are prepared to negotiate. Everyone sensible person knows that Ukraine was not going to defeat Russia as long as Russia did not implode financially and politically. That is where the miscalculation took place, that miscalculation probably cost Ukraine close to a million lives ruined or lost for absolutely nothing.

 

[KingQamaR]

that’s still a long way.
there is not anything close to that.
Ukraine army is still intact.

Im sorry to say that, but NATO countries bought and delivered ALL soviet machinary, incl tanks and guns outside Russia, and all was wiped out by the Russians, hence the need to deliver Abrahams and Leopards, which also met the same fate. Stripped pretty much everything from across the world, incl from Russian allies, nothing worked, noting could work. Apparently neither the Germans nor the rest of NATO learnt shite from WW2. Germany had huge technological advantage in 1941, and by 1944 it was losing the war. Same Ukraine today. Exactly the same. There is a lesson there, but i will not spell it out. War is lost mate Americans are bailing out Eu need to think with clear heads now not emotional Ukrainine Slava slava …..Bs

 

[j_hungary]

One thing I have wondered about in recent days is what Russia might be willing to give up, sure there will be some bits and pieces of gains up as to difficult to defend? Ukrainian gamble on occupying bits in Kursk to use for negotiations against Russia! Moscow already said Kursk is non-negotiable. They have said won’t trade anything for it. And I highly doubt a ceasefire proposal from your secretary state ( Rubio) to Moscow will be excepted by Russians. This about momentum is obvious Russia is making big advances across the entire breadth of the battle lines. Russia is winning and suddenly they are prepared to negotiate. Everyone sensible person knows that Ukraine was not going to defeat Russia as long as Russia did not implode financially and politically. That is where the miscalculation took place, that miscalculation probably cost Ukraine close to a million lives ruined or lost for absolutely nothing.

Again, going back to 6 months ago, I told you that what the Ukrainian is doing is to divert the war into another direction, that's what Russia did, and that's why today, 6+ months later, they still can't capture Pokrovsk. That is a strategic mistake Russian made, now with 6 months gap, even if they now captured Pokrovsk, they would already have plenty of time to reinforce the rear and move the base out, it mean the city itself mean nothing to the Russian if they cannot capture it in a timely manner.

There are no Russian gain along the big battle line, not in a way that it can dictate the war in any sense strategically

This was 6 months ago



This iis what the map looks like now


The line is virtually unchanged. And they still need to deal with Kursk like they were back in August last year. You are looking at decades for Russia to just conquer the entire Donbass. The war won't be settle in term of 15 or 20km gain per months, you are looking at 10,000 + square kilometers to be had just in Donbas alone.

And Russian economy is not at all good. 21.5% interest rate with 9.5% inflation, that's more than you borrow from your credit card, and 0.5% more inflation and they are into what economist coined as "Death Spiral" which NO COUNTRIES in the course of history recovered from a double-digit interest rate with double digit inflation. Can Russia maintain this war in the next 15 years in order for them to capture the entire Donbas? And then what? There are going to be numerous reconstruction project that Russia is not going to be able to finance, which mean either they would need to turn those profit to the Chinese or Trump (If they can do it in the next 4 years, which I doubt) or they are going to slum it out, then what exactly that Russian soldier is dying for?

setting aside NATO in fact expanded, not rolled back on 1997 line and Kyiv was neither denazified nor demilitarized, just tell me what did Russian gain strategic to have "Win" this war?

 

[Ё-МАЁ]

Putin said that he was informed an hour ago that Russian Armed Forces soldiers had crossed the border with Ukraine in Kursk Region.
The Russian Armed Forces are advancing along the entire line of contact, the president said.

Soldiers of the 810th brigade crossed the border between Russia and Ukraine and entered the enemy territory this night, Putin said. This information he himself received an hour ago.
‘And along the entire line of combat contact our troops are advancing,’ the Russian president added.
️Zvezdanews

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