Setting Sail in the Eastern Mediterranean: A Comparative Analysis of Egyptian MEKO-200EN and Turkish İstif Class Frigates

Numerical comparisons don't hold any weight in my books if the warring parties are similarly modern militaries. Thus, nobody has air superiority until war happens. That's the lesson people should take from the conflicts of the past two decades.

The debate of air superiority between Greece and Türkiye is a waste of time.

There are too many factors in this equation that can't be taken into account in a reliable and trustworthy way.
 
Greece must surrender rights in aegean, it s the most logic decision in order to not mess with west asia rights and legitimacy in that sea.
Care to reveal your true origin and stop hiding behind an Andorran flag?

Europe has all the islands in mediterranean, and the only thing Turkiyeh is claming its the Cyprus posession. I find it truly logic, sincerely, because hitites were the natives from Cyprus, and natives were predemonently hytetes.
So...by your logic Turks (who came in the area in the late 11th century AD) should have Cyprus,because "hitites were the natives"? First of all,Greeks colonized the island around 1500 BC with Phoenicians establishing some colonies centuries later as well. Second,if you're not trolling,what kind of logic is that?

Hope greeks understand this issue in a civilized way and retire to athens region, because all the islands on the east must be in Turkiyeh hands in order to restaurate legitimacy. Some day it will happen, and we hope greek behaves rationally.
Ok troll,where are you from really? Come on,don't be shy.
 
Care to reveal your true origin and stop hiding behind an Andorran flag?


So...by your logic Turks (who came in the area in the late 11th century AD) should have Cyprus,because "hitites were the natives"? First of all,Greeks colonized the island around 1500 BC with Phoenicians establishing some colonies centuries later as well. Second,if you're not trolling,what kind of logic is that?


Ok troll,where are you from really? Come on,don't be shy.

You are trolling again Foinikas, other time working like an agent troll in order to create havoc and confussion.
 
I am showing you real military arguments and you cannot answer this with detailed information ...... only babbling and trolling nothing else


What about Hellenic Air Force now ?

17 F-16V with AESA Radar .... its ok
also 29 F-16 Block 52+ADV have network centric warfare capability via link-16 data link

55 F-16 Block 52 and 38 F-16 Block 50 dont have network centric warfare capability
and 32 F-16 Block 30 are obsolete

24 Mirage-2000 dont have BVR combat capability

That means only 46 Greek F-16s have network centric warfare capability
also 18 RAFALE in service


What about Turkish Air Force now ?

163 CCIP modernized F-16s have network centric warfare capability via link-16 data link
Also 29 F-16 Block50+ have network centric warfare capability

That means 192 Turkish F-16s have network centric warfare capability


RESULT
192 Turkish F-16s can use 600 km AESA Radar on 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs to detect Greek F-16s from 350 km away

and to engage on Greek F-16s with AIM-120C7 networked air to air missiles in BVR combat if Greek F-16s enter engagement range

In other words, 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs compensate for the lack of AESA Radar on Turkish F16s via network centric warfare capability .. ( link-16 data link )

and AESA Radar has no any effect in dog fight
AESA Radar is important for BVR combat
 
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The process of creating an illusion of Turkish superiority is always the game they play

Firstly, the Greek Air Force is less than the age of the Turkish fighters. The Greek Air Force receives more than one fighter per month. So, it is not the Greek Air Force possessing 18 modernized F-16 Block 72 aircraft, but rather the monthly growth of this fighter, while the Turkish Air Force has zero fighters that possess an AESA radar.

The HAF has 24 Rafale fighters, their specifications are higher than any modernized F-16 version.

The Greek Air Force has 10 M346 aircraft equipped with AESA radar that can detect the F-35 at a range of 40 kilometers, and Greece requests 20 additional aircraft.
As for the story of Turkey in the future, it will develop 270 F-16 aircraft with AESA radar and will be equipped with better equipment. This is a presumption and a fictitious attempt to create an imaginary Turkish superiority because it is simply at this time.
Greece will have developed 120 F-16 aircraft with AESA radar
Greece will also have 40 RAFALE aircraft AS TOTAL
It has 40 F-35 aircraft
It will has 30 M346FA aircraft
So, at that time, Turkey will still not be superior, because the Turkish F-16 fleet itself is outdated and does not compensate for the Greek superiority in RAFALE & F-35 fighters.

A story in the future: The Turks will own the KAAN plane first. Currently, the Turks have an inability to commit to implementation at the specified times, and the Turks’ reliance on transferring technology from the Ukrainians is not very reliable.
The Turks are urging the Egyptians to become a partner in this project because they will not be able to finance and provide incentives to the Egyptians by establishing Turkish arms factories inside Egypt, which in itself is a benefit to the Turks simply because Egypt is a larger defense market and because Egypt’s manufacturing costs are significantly lower than the Turks, so the Turkish factories moved in The clothing and electrical appliances industry is coming to Egypt, and Turkish factories are also moving to cars, in addition to the Chinese company BYD, which will accept 3 production lines to Egypt.
We return to the illusion of Turkish superiority

The Turks have one F-16 aircraft, and it is an aircraft that has begun to go out of service in Egypt and Israel due to its obsolescence and the obsolescence of its technologies, even those developed. The most Egypt can do for these aircraft is developments for some copies of the F-16 BLOCK 40 & BLCOK 52, because it is simply as if you are upgrade F-16 aircraft. like F-4 In the year 2000, old and obsolete aircraft are not worth spending large sums of money. The Turks’ inability to obtain other fighters is the reason for their insistence on the F-16. There are no other aircraft available. F-15 EUROFIGHTER RAFALE SU-57/35
So do not try to make your weakness your strength with propaganda. Managing air weapons is not shouting, and Turkey can crush the Greek, Egyptian, Israeli, Chinese and American air forces. This is children’s talk and no one should be trusted.
The F-16 remains a plane that everyone has studied and knows the tactics of air superiority and neutralization with other models. So, simply why are Egypt and Greece maintaining MIRAGE-2000/RAFALE/MIG-29/35 fighters so that they have diversity in operational capabilities and the ability to differentiate in tactics to fight with many aircraft? Available tools: As for the story of Turkish equipment being superior to Greek and Egyptian equipment, this is true, only within your right brain hemisphere, but countries are developing their equipment to create combat superiority, not on military forums.
To give you a simple example, Egypt was the first country in the Middle East to integrate 1,300 AIM-7 missiles in 1988. The replacement group requested international tenders to produce BVR missiles to replace these missiles. China presented its PL-15 missile and India provided ASTRA missiles, and the Turks themselves wanted to enter the competition.

The story of the American restrictions that Egypt simply does not take into account. In one of the Egyptian aircraft factories, there was a discussion with Lockheed Matters regarding the Egyptian modifications that Egypt is implementing on the F-16 fighters. The company’s only response was that you made the modifications because we cannot force you not to develop your fighters or implement the modifications just to preserve On the planes and not to lose any plane due to modifications that affect the engines or the original systems. The Americans know full well that their restrictions on a country like Egypt. Egypt will not pay attention to any American objections, and Egypt provides solutions to provide spare parts in the event of an American embargo. This is the reason and secret of maintaining large numbers of American equipment because insurance. Egyptian aircraft are available during combat. If Egypt’s situation is like this, then what about Greece, whose only requirement is that the Greek F-16 development program is superior to Turkish developments on F-16 fighters, whether Turkish own development or American development of Turkish fighters, so what you are creating is the illusion of Turkish superiority. It does not exist except through your constant shouting and your claims, which no one takes into consideration, or because you have to understand the truth of things before you speak. We, as Egyptians, ignore many of the claims of some people’s superiority for a simple reason. The most important thing to us is crushing our enemy during the clash, and not shouting on forums like you, because all your shouting is just promotion. Because of the equipment you produce and your search for customers
 
Greece will have developed 120 F-16 aircraft with AESA radar
Greece will also have 40 RAFALE aircraft AS TOTAL
It has 40 F-35 aircraft
It will has 30 M346FA aircraft
Well to be exact,the F-16Vs that we will have in total will be around 80 or so.
We haven't decided if we will buy more Rafale in the future.
For now,our government wants to buy 20 F-35 and maybe a second squadron in the far future.
As for the M-346,there are no plans for 20 more.

But still,we currently have 24 Rafale F3R and 17 F-16V,which makes us have better quality than the Turks.

All that MMM-E is doing is betting on the "network centric capability warfare",which he believes will still give the advantage to the Turkish Air Force,because of the E-7Ts which supposedly will provide targets and guide the Turkish missiles in a BVR scenario. I wonder if he has actually seen Turkey do that in practice. Remember,he is the guy who mocked the SPECTRA and Rafale as an aircraft and ignored its EW abilities.
 
Why do you support Greece?

Greece has been always commiting massacres in western asia... Grece must pay reparations of war to Egypt, Turkiyeh, Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan Syria Lebanon and palestinians and irakis, and maybe Indian muslims too.

Alexander the greek commanded and army of genociders of asia. I found it funny to support this kind of country with that background History.

Greece must request for perdon and be a normal country in athens region, it s the only greek location out there.

Turkiyeh is stronger, Greece must respect the law of force, and surrender rigths in aegean islands to Turkiyeh. It s very bulling to say all the islands on the east are for Greece, it s to follow the white supremacy policy that is damaging the region.

I don t support Turkiyeh policy against Syrians, irakis and kurds, but refered to Greece they are absolutely right.
You have an extremely twisted view of history and someone must tell you it's completely wrong. I asked what your origin is,because you always talk as if you are heavily biased. It's a bit silly to "hide" behind the flag of Andorra and pretend you are someone you are not,because you are obviously someone who is trolling and when you are not trolling,you talk in a very biased manner.

I would like to ask some of the mods and admins if they know anything and if they can tells us @Waz @Persian Gulf @dbc @Deino @RescueRanger @Musings @Oscar @The SC
 

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