Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation
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battalion25
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A worthy tribute to Ahmed Al-Sharaa
Haz
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Hate to break this to you, but the government hates ISIS and fought them for years. So no, they won't. And, the government will also be in charge of the ISIS detainees according to the new agreement that's still being implemented.
Haz
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UPDATES since the signing of the agreement yesterday [1/2]
After the deal was signed, there fighting halted in most areas, but several flashpoints continued on, with fighting reported in parts across the country, most notably:
-SDF terrorist snipers and rooftop mortar units in Raqqa continued on killing random civilians well into the night. MOD units have been deployed to pacify the situation. Several snipers and other fighters that were still left in the city were killed and captured as a result, including 2 female fighters
-Syrian MOD and SDF/YPG terrorists remain engaged in Ayn Issa, SDF commander there refused to halt hostilities.
-Reports of continued fighting between SDF and tribal elements, particularly in Hasakah
After the deal was signed, there fighting halted in most areas, but several flashpoints continued on, with fighting reported in parts across the country, most notably:
-SDF terrorist snipers and rooftop mortar units in Raqqa continued on killing random civilians well into the night. MOD units have been deployed to pacify the situation. Several snipers and other fighters that were still left in the city were killed and captured as a result, including 2 female fighters
-Syrian MOD and SDF/YPG terrorists remain engaged in Ayn Issa, SDF commander there refused to halt hostilities.
-Reports of continued fighting between SDF and tribal elements, particularly in Hasakah
Haz
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UPDATES since the signing of the agreement yesterday [2/2]
The Hasakah situation:
Since the deal was signed, SDF/YPG terrorists conducted numerous reprisal killings and attacks against civilians in the Hasakah region where they still have complete control with little presence of government security forces. Most notably, they've targeted the Bakkara tribe that rose up in opposition to them the past couple days.
-Many of the people killed were women and children, in various regions of Hasakah governorate:
-Reports of Arab neighbourhoods in Hasakah city itself had their power cutout during the night and SDF/YPG terrorists were carrying our reprisal killings of the civilian population there. The situation of how many were killed or what's exactly going on is still unclear:
-MOD had released a statement recognizing the targeting of civilians in Hasakeh and has mobilized a large force heading towards that direction to tackle the situation, however they are still not in Hasakah as of now:
https://x.com/clashreport/status/2012995809160089650
Al-Shaddadi SDF/YPG and ISIS prisoner situation:
-Tribal fighters briefly took over Al-Shaddadi town located south of Hasakah, but soon lost control after SDF/YPG attacked after the agreement was in place, and are now currently in control of the city:
https://x.com/Military_OSTX/status/2012972216950894817
-SDF/YPG have refused to peacefully hand over the city and the Al-Aqtan prison where ISIS inmates are being held, and have threatened to release them as a result of MOD forces encircling the city in an attempt to take over security there.
-Conflicting reports of whether or not SDF/YPG have released ISIS prisoners. The Syrian Army is slowly entering the town, and has placed the entire area under curfew with heavy security and began sweeping operations to clear the town of SDF/YPG and recapture any ISIS prisoners that may have been released:
https://x.com/deirezzore/status/2013281049829110115?s=46
https://x.com/DeirEzzore/status/2013262873674318317
https://x.com/Sana__gov/status/2013265251253231973#m
Also there are reports that US forces have arrived in the area to mediate the handover of the city and prison to government forces and prevent any ISIS escapees. Situation is still ongoing with the SDF still in control and refusing to leave.
The Hasakah situation:
Since the deal was signed, SDF/YPG terrorists conducted numerous reprisal killings and attacks against civilians in the Hasakah region where they still have complete control with little presence of government security forces. Most notably, they've targeted the Bakkara tribe that rose up in opposition to them the past couple days.
-Many of the people killed were women and children, in various regions of Hasakah governorate:
-Reports of Arab neighbourhoods in Hasakah city itself had their power cutout during the night and SDF/YPG terrorists were carrying our reprisal killings of the civilian population there. The situation of how many were killed or what's exactly going on is still unclear:
-MOD had released a statement recognizing the targeting of civilians in Hasakeh and has mobilized a large force heading towards that direction to tackle the situation, however they are still not in Hasakah as of now:
https://x.com/clashreport/status/2012995809160089650
Al-Shaddadi SDF/YPG and ISIS prisoner situation:
-Tribal fighters briefly took over Al-Shaddadi town located south of Hasakah, but soon lost control after SDF/YPG attacked after the agreement was in place, and are now currently in control of the city:
https://x.com/Military_OSTX/status/2012972216950894817
-SDF/YPG have refused to peacefully hand over the city and the Al-Aqtan prison where ISIS inmates are being held, and have threatened to release them as a result of MOD forces encircling the city in an attempt to take over security there.
-Conflicting reports of whether or not SDF/YPG have released ISIS prisoners. The Syrian Army is slowly entering the town, and has placed the entire area under curfew with heavy security and began sweeping operations to clear the town of SDF/YPG and recapture any ISIS prisoners that may have been released:
https://x.com/deirezzore/status/2013281049829110115?s=46
https://x.com/DeirEzzore/status/2013262873674318317
https://x.com/Sana__gov/status/2013265251253231973#m
Also there are reports that US forces have arrived in the area to mediate the handover of the city and prison to government forces and prevent any ISIS escapees. Situation is still ongoing with the SDF still in control and refusing to leave.
PakAl
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battalion25
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Haz
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Current situation on the ground area of control:
Government now has full control of the strategic and vital Tishrin dam:
Government forces have reached the outskirts of Hasakah, but still remain outside the city. They are preparing to enter and take control in the morning.
Map control
Government now has full control of the strategic and vital Tishrin dam:
Government forces have reached the outskirts of Hasakah, but still remain outside the city. They are preparing to enter and take control in the morning.
Map control
PakAl
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nobody is home up there i guess
Too much terrorism and killings got to your head. My point was correct though, Jolani is ISIS head, he only trimmed his beard, same with all other isis operatives, they trim beards and change names, they are all part of current Syrian army.
Haz
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Ya, those are lies, and I know your side loves spewing them despite knowing it's false. Al-Jolani never joined ISIS, he refused, he was part of Al-Qaeda in Syria previously, which he renounced and abandoned many years ago now. His group, the Al-Nusra front, in Syria at the time, only had 5k-10k soldiers at most. The HTS group that he later led out of Idlib to capture most of Syria, had a force of approximately 30k-40k, overwhelming majority of which were an amalgamation of various resistance fighters and groups from throughout the country that were relocated there as part of settlement agreements with Assad at the time as he was recapturing the different resistance pockets with the help of Iran, Hezbollah, Russia and foreign Shia mercenaries. None of those groups or fighters were part of ISIS or AQ.
And since taking over power, the Syrian Army has recruited and expanded to 100k strong, also none of whom were ISIS or AQ. So you're whole OMG Syria's Army is all just ex-ISIS fighters is pure BS propaganda and needs to stop.
Haz
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Syrian Ministry of Information official response to SDF/YPG threats of ISIS prisoner release as a means to blackmail everyone and derail the implementation of the recently signed agreement:
_Arabia_
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I have been extremely busy of late but it pleases my heart immensely to see beloved Syria and our Syrian brothers and sisters reclaiming their land from terrorists, cultists and separatists. I never understood how a pseudo Kurdish cult like the SDF, which used to control land that was 90% inhabited by Syrian Sunni Arabs, could control such a large landmass of Syria. Not sure how the local Syrian Arabs could tolerate this for so long. As I wrote earlier in this thread, I stopped following events in Eastern Syria that closely many years ago due to so many other conflicts emerging and the constant developments within KSA.
I just want to tell the non-Arabs in this thread, that you must always have the clan and tribal element in mind whenever looking at conflicts within the Arab world. Their influence on the ground and in politics cannot be underestimated.
That is also why I have often written that the abnormal situations of the past in the Arab world in terms of conflicts and opportunistic foreign interference by non-Arab actors such as in particular the Mullah regime since 1979, always was nothing more than a glasshouse due to demographics, historical, cultural, ethnic etc. affinity. We have seen all of this in action in recent times, where this abnormality is being destroyed in a permanent manner.
Just like the Al-Assad regime being on loan (I always stated this very clearly even when it looked like the regime was here to stay for another 40-50 years) and only existing in the first place due to outside backers (mainly Russia).
As a side note and a matter of curiosity, all of Eastern Syria (all of Syria in fact), has extremely close historical, tribal, clan, ancestral, linguistic, geographic, people to people ties with KSA.
This is a video from Al-Hasakah (only area of Syria where Kurds are in large numbers):
"Statement Issued by the Al-Sada Al-Hadidiyyin Tribe Al-Ashraf – Al-Hasakah, Syria"
Amazing.
Almost all of the sheikhs of the numerous Arab tribes and clans of Eastern Syria have pledged allegiance to Damascus as well.
The SDF cult/terrorists/separatists days are numbered. Damascus should destroy them completely whenever the opportunity arrises and ignore US/Zionist and other threats. Cut the head off of the snake while you can before it bites you again.
I wish for KSA to join and carpet bomb them if possible. We must help our people in Syria.
I just want to tell the non-Arabs in this thread, that you must always have the clan and tribal element in mind whenever looking at conflicts within the Arab world. Their influence on the ground and in politics cannot be underestimated.
That is also why I have often written that the abnormal situations of the past in the Arab world in terms of conflicts and opportunistic foreign interference by non-Arab actors such as in particular the Mullah regime since 1979, always was nothing more than a glasshouse due to demographics, historical, cultural, ethnic etc. affinity. We have seen all of this in action in recent times, where this abnormality is being destroyed in a permanent manner.
Just like the Al-Assad regime being on loan (I always stated this very clearly even when it looked like the regime was here to stay for another 40-50 years) and only existing in the first place due to outside backers (mainly Russia).
As a side note and a matter of curiosity, all of Eastern Syria (all of Syria in fact), has extremely close historical, tribal, clan, ancestral, linguistic, geographic, people to people ties with KSA.
This is a video from Al-Hasakah (only area of Syria where Kurds are in large numbers):
"Statement Issued by the Al-Sada Al-Hadidiyyin Tribe Al-Ashraf – Al-Hasakah, Syria"
Amazing.
Almost all of the sheikhs of the numerous Arab tribes and clans of Eastern Syria have pledged allegiance to Damascus as well.
The SDF cult/terrorists/separatists days are numbered. Damascus should destroy them completely whenever the opportunity arrises and ignore US/Zionist and other threats. Cut the head off of the snake while you can before it bites you again.
I wish for KSA to join and carpet bomb them if possible. We must help our people in Syria.
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Haz
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Big and unfortunate developments unfolding now:
A followup meeting today between the government and Abdi (SDF/YPG rep) on how to implement some details of the agreement signed yesterday apparently failed. Most likely disagreements are due to how the MOD will establish control over Hasakah governorate and Ayn Al-Arab area that is still completely under SDF/YPG rule. Some of the new demands of Abdi now are completely contradictory of what was agreed upon yesterday, and they seem to be stalling for time to build defensive positions (will post info on this later).
Key take aways from the meeting:
-The meeting lasted for 5 consecutive hours, with the presence of the Minister of Defense and the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
-Mazloum Abdi is under immense pressure from the leaders of the Kurdistan Workers' Party to renounce the agreement sponsored by President Massoud Barzani.
-President Al-Sharaa offered him the position of Deputy Minister of Defense and asked him to nominate a candidate to be appointed as the governor of Al-Hasakah in exchange for distancing the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) from the Kurdistan Workers' Party and completing the agreement.
-Mazloum Abdi requested that Al-Hasakah remain fully under the administration of the SDF and its civilian wing.
-President Al-Sharaa refused and conditioned the completion of the agreement on the entry of the Ministry of Interior forces into Al-Hasakah.
-Mazloum Abdi requested a 5-day grace period to consult with his leaders.
-President Al-Sharaa rejected the grace period and demanded a final answer by the end of the day, otherwise he would inform international parties that Mazloum Abdi had withdrawn from the agreement and the Syrian state would resolve the Al-Hasakah issue by force.
A followup meeting today between the government and Abdi (SDF/YPG rep) on how to implement some details of the agreement signed yesterday apparently failed. Most likely disagreements are due to how the MOD will establish control over Hasakah governorate and Ayn Al-Arab area that is still completely under SDF/YPG rule. Some of the new demands of Abdi now are completely contradictory of what was agreed upon yesterday, and they seem to be stalling for time to build defensive positions (will post info on this later).
Key take aways from the meeting:
-The meeting lasted for 5 consecutive hours, with the presence of the Minister of Defense and the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
-Mazloum Abdi is under immense pressure from the leaders of the Kurdistan Workers' Party to renounce the agreement sponsored by President Massoud Barzani.
-President Al-Sharaa offered him the position of Deputy Minister of Defense and asked him to nominate a candidate to be appointed as the governor of Al-Hasakah in exchange for distancing the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) from the Kurdistan Workers' Party and completing the agreement.
-Mazloum Abdi requested that Al-Hasakah remain fully under the administration of the SDF and its civilian wing.
-President Al-Sharaa refused and conditioned the completion of the agreement on the entry of the Ministry of Interior forces into Al-Hasakah.
-Mazloum Abdi requested a 5-day grace period to consult with his leaders.
-President Al-Sharaa rejected the grace period and demanded a final answer by the end of the day, otherwise he would inform international parties that Mazloum Abdi had withdrawn from the agreement and the Syrian state would resolve the Al-Hasakah issue by force.
_Arabia_
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We need to think longterm here. If the SDF cultists (for now) can be confined to Al-Hasakah alone mostly and be cut off from the rest of Syria, after their SDF cult project, which was in the works for 10 + years, went up largely in smoke within a few days, that should be celebrated for now given what the situation looked like just 10 days ago.
Consolidate the new gains fully and in a permanent manner while steadily building up to retake Al-Hasakah which is home to a very large Arab and Assyrian community. It is, if I recall, also the main area of the Armenian community in Syria. We are talking about a province of around 2 million people.
Most of the province borders Al-Nineveh province which is majority Iraqi Sunni Arab. The same people like in East Syria and the same Arab clans and tribes.
You have Turkiye in the north as well that should actively help prevent any stupidity from emerging (SDF cultistan or something similar).
US pressure should be dealt with by Arab allies and Turkiye. Zionist daydreams of an imaginary corridor composed of some imaginary Druze entity/country (people forget that Druze are Arabs - Southern Syrian Arabs - it is a religion that they have turned into an imaginary ethnicity - similar to how they do with Christian Arabs in Jordan and Syria (who are mostly of pure ancient Arab stock - often Bedouin going back to the Lakhmid kingdoms and Palmyrene Empire or predating them) that is being linked to an imaginary "Kurdish entity", is IMO just that, daydreams. It has no historical, demographical, political etc. support. Not even US direct military intervention can impose this reality long-term.
From what I am aware of and recall, Damascus has already proposed the Kurds an autonomy (some degree at least) in Al-Hasakah province and they have, unlike the Al-Assad regime, acknowledged the Kurdish language and even the existence of Kurds which until recently was not even the case under the Al-Assad regime.
They cannot ask for more given their realities in Turkiye next door and Iran. BTW this game can also be played the other way around, give the local Arabs, Assyrians and others autonomy in Al-Hasakah, let alone in KRG in Iraq where almost 50% of the population is non-Kurdish and this number is only increasing each month.
BTW just to make it completely clear, I have absolutely nothing against non-hostile Kurds. They have been a community in the Arab world for a very long time and been intermarrying to various degrees with Arab communities near them. Even Saladin's (ra) family (Arab-Kurdish mixture during his time) and descendants mostly live in KSA, Jordan and Syria for a reason. As have other prominent Kurdish historical families.
Al-Ayoubi family - Wikipedia
Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) reportedly had a Kurdish mother for instance.
Ibn Taymiyya - Wikipedia
In many ways, the Kurds of Iraq, Syria and the wider Arab world are Kurdish/Arab mixtures which DNA and ancestry also confirm. The local Kurds in Syria even wear Arab traditional attire often and it is hard to distinguish at times.
All I can say that people in KSA have only known historical Kurdish families that settled in Arabia in the past 1400 + years and those Kurdish Hajis throughout the past 1400 + years that have ended up settling and intermarried and now are a part of the society and part of us like any other community.
Whatever grievances Kurds can rightly or wrongly have with Arabs, those are mostly aimed at the Arabs of Syria, Iraq and Turkey (and possibly even the Arabs of Iran). Anything else makes no sense.
Al-Sharaa and Damascus is well aware of all this which is why they have always reached out their hands to the Kurds in Syria that make up around 5% of the Syrian population.
I am not a Syrian so it is not for me to decide but if I am Al-Sharaa I would offer the Kurds in Al-Hasakah, if not autonomy, at least a large degree of self-rule, provided that they will remain loyal to Damascus and respect the territorial integrity of Syria. Same with the Druze Arabs and Christian Arabs. Which BTW is already the case and always been as they have always had their own community leaders, religious leaders etc. and they were always free to worship what they wanted to.
People wonder how the Armenians (very recent arrivals to Syria) ended up in Syria? Well, they were refugees from mostly Anatolia next door and were largely welcomed by the local Arabs.
How Arabs reached out to Armenians amid 1915 massacre
Many survivor accounts describe how Arabs offered help and shelter, even adopting orphans when they could.
Some of those people became Muslims and completely Arabized within less than 100 years:
The Armenian Islamic Tribe in Syria
By Kevork George Apelian Translated and abridged by Vahe H. Apelian We depart from Kamishli to visit our companion’s, Dr. Garo Hekimian’s, Kurdified nephew, Mehran Hekimian. The road is long but is straight and makes for a smooth ride. The road going from Kamishli to Ras al Ein runs parallel to...
horizonweekly.ca
Contrary to popular, mainly Zionist propaganda, Arabs were always tolerant people which the ethnic and racial diversity in the Arab world confirms for everyone to see.
The same Kurds (many of them in fact) were similarly welcomed by the Arab tribes and clans of Syria.
Now certain SDF cult propaganda is trying to paint the descendants of the same people that welcomed them as ISIS and other such propaganda.
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Haz
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SDF/YPG has been mobilizing and sending reinforcements from Qamishli towards Hasakah, and are arming local residents in Tel Tamir. Looks like they are actually going to violate the agreement only 1 day after they signed it.
SDF/YPG are also refusing to let MOD forces take over the remaining pocket they control. in north Raqqa, Sarin and Ayn Al-Arab pocket. Clashes have been reported in Sarin.
Syrian Army has reached the roundabout outside Hasakah and has gathered a large contingent there in preparation to take over security, whether peacefully as per the agreement or by force.
Syrian Army forces have also have sent a convoy towards Tel Tamir and Abu Rasin from Ras Al-Ain
https://x.com/ConflictTR/status/2013366528264073618
https://x.com/DeirEzzore/status/2013318352865738825
SDF/YPG are also refusing to let MOD forces take over the remaining pocket they control. in north Raqqa, Sarin and Ayn Al-Arab pocket. Clashes have been reported in Sarin.
Syrian Army has reached the roundabout outside Hasakah and has gathered a large contingent there in preparation to take over security, whether peacefully as per the agreement or by force.
Syrian Army forces have also have sent a convoy towards Tel Tamir and Abu Rasin from Ras Al-Ain
https://x.com/ConflictTR/status/2013366528264073618
https://x.com/DeirEzzore/status/2013318352865738825
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