Taliban do not want to lose the "TTP card" against Pakistan

Dividing Afghans against Afghans is the only time we come together, unfortunately. That's when we show our true force.
He thinks this strategy of breaking up Afghanistan will benefit Pakistan, merely 2 years ago he was Taliban boy, cheering Taliban on. We now know how that turned out.

While I appreciate your "strategic patience"(strategic depth?) , madrasas aren't enlightening us. You see the outcome in front of your eyes brother.

Bolded part: No, General Ehsanullah and in general Pakistanis don't bear any ill-will for Afghanistan and its people.
And the idea of 'strategic depth' via Afghanistan, per my latest understanding, is misplaced and not needed by Pakistan: Pakistan's western most reaches go hundreds of miles touching the border of Iran. The only 'strategic depth' Pakistan wanted/wants from Afghanistan is a peaceful border. Nothing more. Nothing less. But myths about the 'strategic depth' persist.
 
Loll I don't know what planet some of you live on.
So you're telling me that you were expecting the Afghan government at the time to guard the Durand Line because of infiltration by TTP? All while supporting the Afghan Taliban against them. How do you make sense of this?

I think there were no good options for Pakistan inside Afghanistan, which is why the Ghani government fell the way it did in 2021.

Pakistan asked the Ghani government and NATO/ISAF to protect their side of the border in 2014, just like Pakistan was asked to take action against the Taliban by the US.

However, the Ghani government used the TTP as proxies against Pakistan, and let them settle there.

Pakistan’s actions in relation to the Afghan Taliban were not the same: Pakistan did take action against the Taliban sometime, but they also got refuge in the tribal areas of Pakistan with the Pakhtuns themselves. But they couldn’t go all out against the Afghan Taliban due to high public support for them against the US’s WoT.

The Taliban have taken NO action against the TTP proxies. Pakistan forced the Afghan Taliban to negotiate with the Trump government and end the war. No such thing from the Taliban. That’s the difference between the two situations.
 
A policy of dividing Afghans against Afghans, as far as I know, has never been Pakistan's long term policy. If you are able to dig up a recent public presentation of Pakistan's former ISI Chief General Ehsanhullah: Pakistan's policy wrt to Afghanistan, since 1947, has always been 'strategic patience'.
And thus most of MY own posts about Afghanistan lean toward some enlightenment of Afghan population. That's the only path forward on practical, moral, and ethical way. The Afghan civilian population is stuck in a time-warp of backwardness, bypassed by History and its movers and shakers: But they are not the culprit for that!
Enlightenment is what the soviets and Americans tried to instill. Didn't work out well for them.

When British abandoned it and fought punitive wars, they wrestled territory and won surrenders from the afghans.

The population ran off their "liberator" Amanullah Khan after he tried enlightenment.

Also, Tajiks, uzbeks, Turkmens, Hazaras etc that make up 50% of Afghanistan, are not afghans according to afghan nationalist themselves.

It's not our place to care what the afghan population is guilt of or not, nor do we have the time or energy for it.

Our sole focus be to de fang them, balkanization is a big part of that.
 
Our sole focus be to de fang them, balkanization is a big part of that.

State of Pakistan has no desire to indulge in any nefarious designs aimed at Afghanistans sovereignty.

The tribal people who feel they have a stake in Afghanistans internal affairs can migrate to Afghanistan after surrendering their Pakistani credentials.

Any ingenious plans to drag Pakistan in Afghan affairs shall be countered with definite force.
 
Than they shud lose trading with rest of world card
 
The Pakistani economy is in dire straits. A prolonged war could bleed its economy further.

By Ahmadullah Archiwal
November 07, 2025

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Pakistan and the Taliban regime have kicked off a new round of negotiations in Istanbul. The talks are ostensibly aimed at preventing further escalation of their violent clashes over the past month. However, both sides are already accusing each other of violating the ceasefire. War clouds are hovering over the Durand Line, their disputed border.

Should a war erupt, would Pakistan gain? Pakistan is militarily stronger than the Taliban and therefore, it has many reasons to believe that it can gain a lot from the war with the Taliban. However, a protracted war with the Taliban might not yield Pakistan the outcome it expects.

Legitimizing its war with the Taliban is a significant hurdle for Pakistan. In the past, Pakistan drew on religion to legitimize its proxy wars in Afghanistan and Kashmir. Now, however, it is becoming difficult for the Pakistani state to use religion to legitimize its war against the Taliban.

Recently, Amir Khan Muttaqi, the Taliban regime’s foreign minister, visited the Deoband seminary in India, which is considered the source of religious guidance for South Asian Muslims. The visit has significantly changed the dynamics on the ground. The visit has emboldened the Taliban to claim that they are the actual heir of the Deobandi school, and they are the ones who have more religious legitimacy. It will be close to impossible for prominent Pakistani religious scholars to justify a war with the Taliban based on religion.

Besides, Pakistani politicians are divided over the war against the Taliban. Many prominent politicians, including some nationalists, religious leaders, and some mainstream political parties, are openly opposing Pakistan’s war with Afghanistan. These include the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), the Awami National Party and the Pakhtunkhwa Mili Awami Party.

Indeed, some Pakistani political parties are opposed to the Pakistani military’s operations in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, a Pakistani province that borders Afghanistan. Foremost among them is the PTI, which heads the government in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. The party is at loggerheads with the Shehbaz Sharif government and the military establishment over the counterterrorism operations in the province.

Securing religious legitimacy and political backing is important for Pakistan to win its war against the Taliban. At the moment, it appears to have got neither.

Ahead of its military strikes on Afghanistan, Pakistan would have calculated that it would have the support of sections of the Afghan population, especially those opposed to the Taliban regime. However, most Afghans have criticized Pakistan’s attacks. They see it as an attack not on the Taliban but on the Afghan state. They are also enraged over the military strikes in Kabul, especially since these have claimed many civilian lives.

Not only this, Pashtuns living on the Pakistani side of the Durand Line have not supported the Pakistani attack on Afghan soil. Commerce in the two Pakistani provinces of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Baluchistan depends solely on Afghanistan. Industrialists and traders are unable to compete on a national level with their Pakistani counterparts, particularly with Punjabis and Sindhis. Hence, their dependence on Afghanistan for their economic survival. It is because of this reason that traders from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa protested during the recent military clashes between the Taliban and Pakistan. Therefore, Pakistan’s endeavor to enter into a prolonged war will face resistance at home.

Although Pakistan has achieved considerable success on the diplomatic front—relations with the United States have improved in recent months and Islamabad signed a Strategic Mutual Defense Agreement with Saudi Arabia in September—this has not translated into economic gains. According to a recent Financial Times report, the domestic situation in Pakistan reflects a nation grappling with worsening poverty, declining investment, and a stagnant economy that has not benefited its 250 million people. With its economy in dire straits, Pakistan cannot afford a protracted war with the Taliban.

More importantly, Pakistan’s paradoxical behavior and foreign policy rhetoric towards Afghanistan over the last forty years has left ordinary Pakistanis confused and questioning their rulers. During Imran Khan’s term as prime minister, Pakistan resettled a large number of TTP fighters in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. The Pakistan army was not only aware of this, but it was part of the deal that paved the way for their resettlement. In fact, former ISI chief Faiz Hamid played an active role in clinching the agreement.

As for the Afghan Taliban, Pakistan’s close ties with the group are well known. Pakistan’s Defense Minister Khwaja Asif, who has taken a hawkish stance on the Taliban now, in a tweet, which has been apparently deleted now, had celebrated their victory when they captured power in Kabul on August 15, 2021. Khan, who was then Pakistan’s prime minister, praised the Taliban for “breaking the shackles of slavery.”

Ahead of its launching military strikes on Afghanistan, Pakistan would have calculated that the international community would rally behind it. This has not happened. Almost all governments that have reacted to the war have called for a ceasefire.

Importantly, Afghanistan’s rugged terrain will make a potential ground war between Pakistan and the Taliban a hard one for Islamabad to win. Afghanistan could bleed Pakistan, leaving it struggling to recover from the damage inflicted over an extended period.

It will have impact on trade but KPK/Balochistan will benefit more economically from less terrorism. Pakistan economy as a whole will benefit as 95% of all terror attacks happen in KPK/Balochistan but it affect all of country.

So this afghanist author isn't making a good case here. Allowing terrorism to get worse isn't going to help Pakistan economy.
 
We used to hear and read about the story of Somnath Temple of India and how it was attacked and destroyed by Mahmud of Ghazni from Afghanistan. In today's world, these Afghans will gladly defend India just for their spite and jealously against Pakistan.

The key thing here he was Turkic. So not one of these Taliban or extreme ethnic nationalist morons.

@Asfandyar Bhittani sorry bro I saw you correct people on this already.
 
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Also, Tajiks, uzbeks, Turkmens, Hazaras etc that make up 50% of Afghanistan, are not afghans according to afghan nationalist themselves.

Yep according to them Pashtun = Afghan and nothing else. The other groups have started to respond and now base themselves on their own ethnic identities. In AUS there was tension between Hazara and the Afghan Pashtun nationalists over this i.e. a shopping district called 'Afghan' the Hazara shopkeepers refused to name it as such.
 
I think there were no good options for Pakistan inside Afghanistan, which is why the Ghani government fell the way it did in 2021.

Pakistan asked the Ghani government and NATO/ISAF to protect their side of the border in 2014, just like Pakistan was asked to take action against the Taliban by the US.

However, the Ghani government used the TTP as proxies against Pakistan, and let them settle there.

Pakistan’s actions in relation to the Afghan Taliban were not the same: Pakistan did take action against the Taliban sometime, but they also got refuge in the tribal areas of Pakistan with the Pakhtuns themselves. But they couldn’t go all out against the Afghan Taliban due to high public support for them against the US’s WoT.

The Taliban have taken NO action against the TTP proxies. Pakistan forced the Afghan Taliban to negotiate with the Trump government and end the war. No such thing from the Taliban. That’s the difference between the two situations.
"However, the Ghani government used the TTP as proxies against Pakistan, and let them settle there."

No matter what the govt. in Afghanistan (Left or Right), the issue is the hostility of people against Pakistan since 1947 (hostility because of not accepting the Durand line and having dream of greater Afghanistan), and that is the main reason that even if any govt. of Afghanistan wants good relations, they will have the public pressure to back out. Although its the job of the govt. to foster good relations with any country no matter what the public thinks and overtime things change. The problem with Taliban is that, after getting so much support from the Pakistan govt. and people, they still went their own ways of appeasing the hostile public mentality and supporting anti-Pakistan forces (TTP) out of fear that there would be a huge breakup and civil war if TTA didn't help TTP in its so called murder jihad. They went so far ahead that they have been courted by India (who is obviously superficially supporting and showing love to them because of strategic depth against Pakistan) and fell for it.
 
I read the whole article which is a depressing read. Its well researched, and gives a lot of in depth knowledge on how the weapons economy in Afghanistan and Iran benefits from the TTP amongst many other things.

However, like i said initially, its a depressing read. Because i kept on thinking, when will this end? It seems like an endless war with no end in sight. We are more unlucky to have these cave monkeys as our neighbours than the ***** on the east.

It takes a lot to decide on what to do with this menace. We unfortunately have too many fault lines in the form of kuttas like that CM from PTI.

Im glad i dont have to make these decisions, but to me the only logical decision is to hunt their leadership and not stuff. Take them out one by one. Dont stop.
 
Mahmud of Ghazni wasn't an Afghan. But a persianized Turk. Born in Zabulistan. Calling him afghan or anything related to modern state of Afghanistan is like calling Mughal Emperor Akbar born in Sindh, a Pakistani. Neither knew that those words let alone countries even existed.
But i would argue that Pakistanis are the spiritual heritage custodians and the literal descendants of the Mughals since decent amount of us still exist. They not only smashed the Hindutvadis but almost kept on smashing the Afghandus. Babur in his teenage was whoppping their behinds like no tomorrow. So did the later Mughal emperors, defeating Afghandus and their friends Indians is in our blood.
 
Why not call Akbar a Sindhi? There was no Pakistan then. Although, we have these pseudo-historians (more like novelist and dramatists) who like to assign "Pakistani identity" to medieval historical figures, such as Bin Qasim. Having said that, we in Pakistan do commonly make this mistake of perceiving Turkic clans like Ghaznavis and Ghauris - and to lesser extents the Turkic-Mongols like Chughtais, Timurids, and Mughals - as Afghans. Shows how flawed our history, political georgraphy, ethnography, and anthropology teachings are. Merely few months ago we were debating that Pushtuns are lost Jewish tribe.
No one ever called Chugtais, Timurids (not a clan but alternate name for Mughals) which are Mughal clans and not seprate from Mughals as Afghans ever. You are right about the rest.

Mughals which called/call themselves Gurkanis took Afghandus as their low class bitches and ruled over them for hundreds of years.
 
That's the best you could come up with? Paan chai?
Im not trying to get banned, so my apologies for your fragile ego loll
Afghandu pigs shouldnt take about ego. A nation with zero self respect, beghairat and namak harams of highest order. Looks like you managed to get on the wheel of a flying C-130 or was it the pakistani passport that helped you get out?
 
Bolded part: No, General Ehsanullah and in general Pakistanis don't bear any ill-will for Afghanistan and its people.
And the idea of 'strategic depth' via Afghanistan, per my latest understanding, is misplaced and not needed by Pakistan: Pakistan's western most reaches go hundreds of miles touching the border of Iran. The only 'strategic depth' Pakistan wanted/wants from Afghanistan is a peaceful border. Nothing more. Nothing less. But myths about the 'strategic depth' persist.
Im sorry but i hold all the ill will against Afghandus. They have actively supported financially, morally and cheered the fight against Pakistan. Every single one of them wishes the death of Pakistan. Every single of them has blood lust for Pakistanis.

And for me the only good taliban is a dead taliban.

They are our bigger enemies than Hindu India.
 

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