TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[Michael]

KAAN's bulkheads are titanium made.

Do you expect prototype assembly to be done through automated serial production line?

If you don't know ins and outs of other country's defense industry, stick to your own. Or read all the stuff they publish, then come back for point to point discussion. Otherwise these vague 'rational analysis' of yours are nothing more than a word salad.

Clearly, you haven't fully grasped my point. You're just venting your prejudice.

Turkey's KAAN fighter jet is an achievement for Turkey. No one denies that. Very few countries in the world can achieve this level of capability. Turkey has proven its ability.

However, compared to truly top-tier aviation industrial nations, the gap remains enormous. At least, compared to the rhetoric of such fervent nationalists, the distance is vast. That's where the criticism lies.

Modern aviation industry, especially fifth-generation fighter jet industry, is a condensed crystallization of a massive industrial system. Behind every small component of a fighter jet lies a very large and complex industrial chain. If you don't have this complete industrial chain, then any detail will prevent you from properly producing the fighter jet. ------ Of course, if you want to refute me with "we don't have to invent the wheel," you can continue.

Let me give you some examples:

1. GaN AESA. You can look into how Ga is produced and how it becomes a GaN T/R module. If you can't produce Ga, don't talk about completely "independent" manufacturing of GaN AESA.

2. Carbon fiber composites. Modern advanced fighter jets generally use T800-grade carbon fiber, with a minimum requirement of T600-grade, and some countries using T1000+ grade. You can trace the origins of these materials. Manufacturing T800-grade carbon fiber isn't difficult. However, stable, large-scale production is extremely difficult. It requires a very large market to support it.

...Well, I'm too lazy to go into details. You have no interest in these details anyway.

You can look it up: How many Turkish companies are on the Fortune Global 500 list? How many Turkish industrial products are on the global market?...

 

[Michael]

This is one section of the KF-21 fighter jet fuselage.

If you can figure out why there's a crossbeam inside it, perhaps you'll understand the problem with KAAN. ------ This is a somewhat difficult question.

 

[MMM-E]

Modern aviation industry, especially fifth-generation fighter jet industry, is a condensed crystallization of a massive industrial system. Behind every small component of a fighter jet lies a very large and complex industrial chain. If you don't have this complete industrial chain, then any detail will prevent you from properly producing the fighter jet. ------ Of course, if you want to refute me with "we don't have to invent the wheel," you can continue.

Either you have no any knowledge about Turkish defense Industry, or you are deliberately displaying anti-Türkiye sentiment here

Turkish Defense Industry has its own ecosystem to produce almost everything


only Engine from American GE and Ejection Seat from British MARTIN BAKER

TF-35.000 turbofan Engine ( under development ) by TEI - TR MOTOR
Ejection Seat ( under development ) by TAI


More than 30 Turkish companies took part in the production of KAAN and supported its production

 

[BonPlan]

General Manager of TR Motor ( Osman Saim Dinç )

We view the KAAN's engine project as a matter of national survival.

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As the BATU MBT motor ? LOL

 

[MMM-E]

If you can figure out why there's a crossbeam inside it, perhaps you'll understand the problem with KAAN. ------ This is a somewhat difficult question.

S.Korea is nothing to compare with Turkiye in aviation Industry ,, not even close

First go and develop Unmanned stealth Fighter Jet and flying wing stealth UCAV like Turkish KIZILELMA and ANKA-III , then come here to discuss



S.Korean KF-21 technology
-- Engine from American GE
-- AESA Radar technology from Israeli ELTA Systems
-- Terrain-following/terrain avoidance (TF/TA) Systems from Israeli ELTA Systems
-- IRST sensor head unit from Italian LEONARDO
-- CANOPY technology from American TEXSTARS
-- AMADs from American TRIUMP GROUP
-- HELMET from USA
-- Main Generator from American COLLINS AEROSPACE
-- Missile ejection launchers from British COBHAM
-- Ejection Seat from British MARTIN-BAKER
-- Wheel braking system from American MEGGITT
-- Air to Air Missiles from USA and Europe
-- Cruise Missiles from USA and Europe

even simulation link system from Turkish SDT Space and Defense Technologies

 

[MMM-E]

Let me give you some examples:

1. GaN AESA. You can look into how Ga is produced and how it becomes a GaN T/R module. If you can't produce Ga, don't talk about completely "independent" manufacturing of GaN AESA.

Turkiye is one of a few Countries in the world that produced AESA Radars ( Gan ) for Fighter Jets , Frigates , Destroyers and Air Defense Systems


MURAD AESA Radar
produced with 100% national resources, from chip level to GA modules and final system integration.



Even KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet equipped with MURAD AESA Radar
Moments when the domestic AESA Radar integrated into KIZILELMA scans the area within a range of 230 km

MURAD-100A AESA radar on Kızılelma can scan up to 160nm in a 140⁰ sector


Airborne AESA Radars for Fighter Jets in NATO
USA : AN/APG-81 and AN/APG-85
Turkiye : MURAD-100A and MURAD-600A
France : RBE2
Italy : Raven ES-05
The UK : ECRS

 

[retaxis]

S.Korea is nothing to compare with Turkiye in aviation Industry ,, not even close

First go and develop Unmanned stealth Fighter Jet and flying wing stealth UCAV like Turkish KIZILELMA and ANKA-III , then come here to discuss



S.Korean KF-21 technology
-- Engine from American GE
-- AESA Radar technology from Israeli ELTA Systems
-- Terrain-following/terrain avoidance (TF/TA) Systems from Israeli ELTA Systems
-- IRST sensor head unit from Italian LEONARDO
-- CANOPY technology from American TEXSTARS
-- AMADs from American TRIUMP GROUP
-- HELMET from USA
-- Main Generator from American COLLINS AEROSPACE
-- Missile ejection launchers from British COBHAM
-- Ejection Seat from British MARTIN-BAKER
-- Wheel braking system from American MEGGITT
-- Air to Air Missiles from USA and Europe
-- Cruise Missiles from USA and Europe

even simulation link system from Turkish SDT Space and Defense Technologies

When you insult a superior country in economy, living standards and weapon sales, you lose credibility completely.

 

[MMM-E]

You can look it up: How many Turkish companies are on the Fortune Global 500 list? How many Turkish industrial products are on the global market?...

6 Turkish Defense Companies are among the top 100 defense Companies in the World

Source

Top 100 | Defense News, News about defense programs, business, and technology

people.defensenews.com

-- China lost first position to Turkiye on the global UCAV market

Türkiye exported more than $10 billion worth of weapons in 2025, and this is just the beginning

Turkiye will surpass $20 billion in exports with the implementation of major projects in the coming years such as

KAAN 5th gen Fighter Jet
ASOJ-23A stand off Jammer Aircraft
KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
ANKA-III flying-wing stealth UCAV
T-625 and T-925 utility Helicopters
T-929 heavy Attack Helicopter
SIPER long range Air Defense System
TF-2000 class Destroyer
MILDEN class AIP Submarine
MUGEM Aircraft Carrier
ALTAY Tank
Supersonic-Hypersonic Missiles
and many more

 

[MMM-E]

When you insult a superior country in economy, living standards and weapon sales, you lose credibility completely.

Typical Chinese
Come , when I say something about economy , living standard and export

I said the reality , S.Korea is nothing to compare with Turkiye in aviation Industry

S.Korea lacks all these technologies
UCAVs
Unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
Flying-wing stealth UCAV
Stand off Jammer Aircraft
Heavy Attack Helicopter
Air to Air Missiles
Air launched Cruise Missiles
GaN AESA Radars
Targetin Pod
HMDS
Main Generator
high-performance, mission-critical, aviation-grade lithium-ion battery system
Turbofan and Turboshaft Engines
Radar Electronic Warfare System
And many more


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btw , there is no big different for Economy
S.Korea : $1,931 trillion
Turkiye : $1,640 trillion

 

[xbat]

hey chinagooks! we made kaan from onion, potato and some mud and painted it. is OK for you or we need to do something more for you? just stfo! , no one likes you here, you genosider apes.

 

[Ali_Baba]

as if Turkey’s survival as a nation depended on it...

Unfortunately this part is true, Türkiye future does depend on it with Israel looking to attack Türkiye. Türkiye does not have a stealth platform to counter the F-35 from Israel, and maybe even Greece in the future.

 

[MMM-E]

Unfortunately this part is true, Türkiye future does depend on it with Israel looking to attack Türkiye. Türkiye does not have a stealth platform to counter the F-35 from Israel, and maybe even Greece in the future.

Turkiye sees the KAAN and TF-35.000 engine projects as a matter of national survival

Because , We are facing a multinational alliance
And USA blocked sale of 100 F-35A to Turkiye .... even small Countries like Israel has started barking

The moment Türkiye puts these into service, Turkiye will become one of the top 5 most advanced countries in the world

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When We add the other weapon systems developed by Turkish Defense Companies , Türkiye will have a tremendous deterrent effect.

not only small countries like Israel and Greece, but even big powers like France , India will not want to wage war with Turkiye

 

[Pokemonte13]

Unfortunately this part is true, Türkiye future does depend on it with Israel looking to attack Türkiye. Türkiye does not have a stealth platform to counter the F-35 from Israel, and maybe even Greece in the future.

Israeli F35s are a big problem simply because they have different subsystems and software and have a good combat availability (good maintenance) and good planing. The greeks don't have any of that its still a threat but not comparable to IAF.

 

[MMM-E]

As the BATU MBT motor ? LOL

Better worry about your France which will use only old RAFALEs until 2050
FCAS project is dead

Neither France nor Germany can launch a €100 billion euro project on their own