TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[BonPlan]

Better worry about your France which will use only old RAFALEs until 2050
FCAS project is dead

Neither France nor Germany can launch a €100 billion euro project on their own

My sweet little MMM-E, SCAF as a germano/spanich/french program is dead indeed.
Fortunately for France because we are the sole european country able to study and produce 100% of a fighter.
Now Dassault has free hands to work on this next gen jet, and it will be a technical success as Rafale was, as Mirage 2000 was, etc... Same can't always be said of Tornado or Eurofigter. Now that we are alone, so agile, a 2040 entry date seems possible again.

Rafale ? Rafale F5 will be a new jet, with new radar, new SPECTRA, new engines, comunication nodes, new UCAV, new weapons. It will remain in the force until 2070 at least.

I wish your glider KAAN half the success of Rafale, it is already a fantasm.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Please! I know Israel is the number one bully on the world stage next to Donald Trump, but neither Israel nor - or ever - Greece will attack Turkey in the near future. This is a stupid threatening background only built up in the nationalisation of the masses behind government decisions.

I appreciate you may not be as deeply involved in the geopolitics of the region or follow the threads as closely on those topics, so as at a surface level inspection you may think this. Others can opine.

However - this is a bit of an off topic conversation on this thread, so I will stop here/now.

 

[Musings]

Please! I know Israel is the number one bully on the world stage next to Donald Trump, but neither Israel nor - or ever - Greece will attack Turkey in the near future. This is a stupid threatening background only built up in the nationalisation of the masses behind government decisions.

I beg to differ. Netanyahu is a rabid mad dog lashing out and is possible of ANYTHING. His survival is the utmost in his head and peace allows potentially of his embezzlement trial to crack on so no dont count him out in my opinion.........

 

[BonPlan]

btw , there is no big different for Economy
S.Korea : $1,931 trillion
Turkiye : $1,640 trillion

There is a huge difference :

S Korea : 1931 $ trillion for 52 million people
Turkeye : 1640 $ trillion for nearly 88 million people

 

[Pokemonte13]

Please! I know Israel is the number one bully on the world stage next to Donald Trump, but neither Israel nor - or ever - Greece will attack Turkey in the near future. This is a stupid threatening background only built up in the nationalisation of the masses behind government decisions.

i mean its hard to imagine especially after they wasted a lot of munitions against Iran (Talking about Israel here) but i also wouldn't have expected the attack at doha i know it was against hamas but still. But i think the chance of an attack is very low and depends on the american commitment to israel.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I beg to differ. Netanyahu is a rabid mad dog lashing out and is possible of ANYTHING. His survival is the utmost in his head and peace allows potentially of his embezzlement trial to crack on so no dont count him out in my opinion.........

And the main political rival for Netanyahu is Naftali Bennett, who is equally bad and has made references to Turkieye.

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[MMM-E]

Rafale ? Rafale F5 will be a new jet, with new radar, new SPECTRA, new engines, comunication nodes, new UCAV, new weapons. It will remain in the force until 2070 at least.

Even KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet will be enough to match with the RAFALE in BVR combat

Thanks to new capabilities such as
Stealth design for much lower RCS than all 4,5th gen Fighters
Internal Weapon Bays for stealth flight capability
MURAD AESA Radar
KARAT IRST
FEWS-U Electronic Warfare Suire
National datalink ( T-LINK ) for network centric warfare
185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air Missile with AESA radar seeker

I wish you glider KAAN half the success of Rafale, it is already a fantasm.

RAFALE and success ? when ? no any real combat success
Pakistani Pilots turned Indian RAFALEs into burnt bird in BVR combat

Once KAAN enters service, it will outperform RAFALE, even with its F-110 engine.

 

[Pokemonte13]

My sweet little MMM-E, SCAF as a germano/spanich/french program is dead indeed.
Fortunately for France because we are the sole european country able to study and produce 100% of a fighter.
Now Dassault has free hands to work on this next gen jet, and it will be a technical success as Rafale was, as Mirage 2000 was, etc... Same can't always be said of Tornado or Eurofigter. Now that we are alone, so agile, a 2040 entry date seems possible again.

Rafale ? Rafale F5 will be a new jet, with new radar, new SPECTRA, new engines, comunication nodes, new UCAV, new weapons. It will remain in the force until 2070 at least.

I wish your glider KAAN half the success of Rafale, it is already a fantasm.

The biggest issue for Dassault was never the technology or the timeline (to many cooks spoil the food) it was money. They most likely need foreign investment and the foreign money comes with expectations of ToT and coproduction/development and that is something ,you can agree on, the french don't like.

 

[MMM-E]

There is a huge difference :

S Korea : 1931 $ trillion for 52 million people
Turkeye : 1640 $ trillion for nearly 88 million people

GDP is nothing to do with population
88 million Turkiye has bigger GDP than almost 100 million Egypt + 90 million Iran + 260 million Pakistan + 170 million Bangladesh combined

S.Korea is lucky that not fighting terrorism and not facing multi national allience

Turkiye lost trillions of Dollars to fight terrorism since 1985 and USA-Israel backed military coups .. also attacks on Turkish economy

Still no big difference .. only $290 billion GAP

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As the Turkish economy grew, investment in the defense industry increased; today, Turkiye is developing military projects worth over $100 billion.

 

[MMM-E]

NETANYAHU and his tiny Israel never can a win a large scale of war one on one

maybe they can attack same military targets and critical facilities but never can invade Turkiye or Iran

Israel cannot stop attacks against it without USA military support and would suffer heavy losses

The US and Israel bombed Iran for days, yet Iran did not give up or surrender

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Israel's military power is only sufficient for hit-and-run tactics ( hiding behind USA )
Israel can never be a major threat to a country like Turkiye or Iran .. not even close


The problem here is that we are facing a multinational alliance.
Greece and France in the Eastern Mediterranean
The UAE , Russia , France , etc in Libya
Armenia in Karabakh / Azerbaijan
USA, France ,PKK/YPG in Syria
also Israel and India
Iran and Russia are still potential rivals


Therefore, the KAAN project is Türkiye's most important project, and Türkiye is focusing all its resources on this project.

 

[Afif]

Same can't always be said of Tornado or Eurofigter.

Eurofighter will always going to be a superior platform to Rafale. It has better kinematics and a radar that is nearly twice as big.

 

[hyperman]

A whole bunch of Turkey haters and skeptics are going to be silenced by the end of this decade. We don't need to say anything, just keep the receipts on those that talked smack and belittled Turkish projects, when Turkey actually delivers. @MMM-E

 

[Eşbah]

@BonPlan

Do not insult other users simply because they hold a different opinion than yours.

You have the right to express your thoughts, but if I catch you bringing someone else's mother into the conversation again, you will be permanently banned from this thread.

We are all adults here. Please conduct yourself accordingly. Last warning.

 

[BonPlan]

The biggest issue for Dassault was never the technology or the timeline (to many cooks spoil the food) it was money. They most likely need foreign investment and the foreign money comes with expectations of ToT and coproduction/development and that is something ,you can agree on, the french don't like.

Rafale developpment was made without any foreign investment, at least up to F4 std.
At the end it cost less to France for a whole jet than to GB for a 33% stake... and far more export success....
It seems we ask UAE to invest in F5. We refused the proposed deal because of too sensible ToT expected. Talks are in progress again.

SCAF, or NGF (New Generation Fighter) : The burden can, once again, be supported by the sole french, specially since Rafale is an export success. After all it is a 15 to 20 years effort. Even a 100 bilions bill (less I think), divided in 15 years is very easy to deal with, even with our huge debt.

I'm quite sure that if Rafale had been an export failure, Dassault would have been forced to be smooth with Airbus. Now they are in a position of strenght.

 

[BonPlan]

@BonPlan

Do not insult other users simply because they hold a different opinion than yours.

You have the right to express your thoughts, but if I catch you bringing someone else's mother into the conversation again, you will be permanently banned from this thread.

We are all adults here. Please conduct yourself accordingly. Last warning.

Were an insult ? show me please, so as to erase it my self.