TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[BonPlan]

1 -- France needs to start developing a new engine with 35.000 lbs .. ( min 15 years )

2 -- France needs to start developing unmanned stealth Fighter Jet for 6th gen war concept .. ( but France lacks this technology )

1 -- do you really think we are beginning from a white page? T-Rex is there to show we have all the knowledge to improve a modern jet engine (legacy M88) into a 20% more effective one, in the same enveloppe and same weight. M88 is a family. T-Rex is applied to the smaller member of the familly : M88-2. Study was made on a M88-3 (already flight tested) and M88-4 or 10,5 tons at the beginning.
Take M88-4, applied +20% thanks to T-Rex technology refresh and you have a 12.5 tons engine. EASY my dear.

2 -- Stealth : N@euron proved the mastery of Dassault. It is not why French government didn't chose to make enphasisi on steath with Rafale that we are noob. See how we made the first steath frigate of the world : Lafayette one, copied by everybody, including Turkey.
Communication node : already possible with Rafale F4 and fully on F5, so no problem. Engine : M88-4 T-Rex at the beginning, then a brand new one with variable cycle. All the rest already exist. What is missing my dear?

 

[BonPlan]

While designing a Fighter Jet fuselage takes an average of 10 years in military aviation

In Turkey may be.
France take less than 4 years to built from scratch Rafale A prototyp.

 

[BonPlan]

-- The M88 engine which powers the RAFALE produces 16,500 lbs of thrust. France currently does not have a design for a heavy, next-gen turbofan engine in the 35,000 lbs class.

Already answered my dear.

 

[BonPlan]

Even the FCAS project, despite Germany sharing the financial burden, was targeted for after 2045

It is because the Eurofighter program showed how a multi countrt may be slow.

 

[MMM-E]

Don't be so nervous. You have 5 years before Rafale F5 will kick the ass of your Glider Kaan

Your pathetic RAFALE F5 even can not see KAAN on its Radar for BVR combat

You have 5 years before you wake up from your dream when you get hit in the ass by a missile from 175 km away

-- KAAN stealth Fighter Jet
-- MURAD-600A powerful AESA Radar ( 2.000+ T/R GaN modules )
-- 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air Missile with AESA radar seeker

-- MUM-T with KIZILELMA and ANKA-3/4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets
-- ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft .. ( France doesnt have this technology )

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TURAF gets Eurofighter T4/5 by 2030/2031
even İts enough for RAFALE F5

 

[MMM-E]

All the rest already exist. What is missing my dear?

Time
France can do all these but not before 2045
( there is still no official project launched both new Fighter Jet and new Engine )

So , only RAFALE F5 until 2045

 

[MMM-E]

In Turkey may be.
France take less than 4 years to built from scratch Rafale A prototyp.

Compared to the development processes of other 5th gen Fighter Jets in the world, the fact that Türkiye managed to get its KAAN out of the hangar in 7 years (2016-2023) has astonished global defense analysts

They even said KAAN wouldn't be able to fly in 2030s

Despite Russia's vast aviation experince, the SU-57 development process has progressed slower than that of the KAAN

as well as American F-35 ( 10 years )

 

[Merzifonlu]

@BonPlan ;

When will France consider the "M108" engine? Not the M88-4, but the M108? Please don't equate me with @MMM-E; I'm not asking to create a polemic, but purely for informational purposes. What is France's roadmap for engines in the class of, say, the P&W F119 or P&W F135? Because it's clear that the M88 is becoming obsolete.

 

[Michael]

To ensure the structural integrity and to keep the fuselage from flexing...what you might be alluding to is that this may/could/will impact the weapon system capacity, because the crossbeam splits the internal weapons bay?

You can take a look at the following pictures:


These two images show the unibody forged titanium alloy mid-frames of the F-22 and F-35, respectively.
This technology marks a watershed moment between the manufacturing processes of fifth-generation fighter jets and those of earlier fighter jets.
You can find out more for yourself. I won't say too much, lest some people accuse me of attacking Türkiye again.

 

[MMM-E]

These two images show the unibody forged titanium alloy mid-frames of the F-22 and F-35, respectively.

This technology marks a watershed moment between the manufacturing processes of fifth-generation fighter jets and those of earlier fighter jets.

You can find out more for yourself. I won't say too much, lest some people accuse me of attacking Türkiye again.

Aerospace standards for the 5th gen Fighter Jets load bearing bulkheads and frames generally dictate the use of Titanium alloy

And the KAAN utilizes a very high and critical amount of titanium alloy


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Turkish KAAN features massive titanium bulkheads, measuring 5.3 m wide and 1.6 m high

Thanks to massive 3D printers for additive manufacturing capability of Turkish Aerospace Industries

 

[MMM-E]

KAAN P-1 titanium alloy frame

The KAAN utilizes modern industrial 3D printing (additive manufacturing) for complex internal titanium framework elements


Chinese friend compared KAAN to the American F-22 and F-35.

at least , The Turks have their own Industry and technologies to compare with USA

190 out of 195 countries do not have this capacity.

 

[MMM-E]

Btw , USA using massive industrial forging presses and extensive CNC machining for the F-22's large titanium bulkheads

on the other hand , Turkiye using modern industrial 3D printing additive manufacturing method. This reduces structural weight, saves on raw material costs and allows Engineers to rapidly change internal frame layout geometry between prototype blocks


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Better go and critize South Korea

The frames (bulkheads) of the KF-21 are manufactured from aluminum alloys instead of titanium

 

[Eşbah]

What a coincidence...

TUSAŞ Engine Industries Inc:

"We have successfully developed the superplastic forming process—a hot forming method for titanium alloys, which are preferred in aerospace applications due to their high performance under demanding conditions—and made it available to our country’s aerospace industry. Through the DİLEK project, we have enabled the manufacture of large and complex titanium alloy components—intended for use in aircraft fuselages and engines—in a single operation under conditions specific to our country"

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[Oublious]

The world is changing, technology evolve and everybody who invest will take ther share of the pie. They can stil not believe what is happening...

 

[MMM-E]

In the aviation sector, the NATO Countries capable of applying Superplastic Forming to titanium alloys are USA, The UK , France , Sweden and most recently Turkiye, which has achieved this capability with the DİLEK Project

Turkiye becomes a Country to produce Fighter Jet in NATO

USA
The UK
France
Sweden
Turkiye