TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[Oublious]

So not yet today?

because bad weather....

 

[hyperman]

So not yet today?

It rained today in Ankara, so people are guessing they wait for better conditions. No need to add an extra variable of complication.

Friday is supposed to be sunny.

Lets see, I hope that i the issue atleast.

 

[Deino]

It rained today in Ankara, so people are guessing they wait for better conditions. No need to add an extra variable of complication.

Friday is supposed to be sunny.

Lets see, I hope that i the issue atleast.

because bad weather....

Thanks for the info … so let’s keep fingers crossed!

 

[Sinan]

Defense analyst Kozan Selçuk Erkan:

“Ground testing of KAAN is ongoing. It has one or two tests left, after which it will fly. Most likely, its first flight will take place before December.”

Video: Kaner Kurt

 

[maxpane]

so whats the update on naval hurjet..is it a new aircraft or its just hurjet upgaradation for navy

 

[Erlik]

so whats the update on naval hurjet..is it a new aircraft or its just hurjet upgaradation for navy

Both of them. This is what I understand from the TUSAŞ General Manager's statement:

"As our aircraft carrier takes shape, the requirements will become clearer. This is a long-term project. I can already say it will be an entirely different platform from Hürjet. You will see that it is different, because the requirements are different."

With the modifications required:

1. Reinforced landing gear and airframe for high-impact carrier landings
2. Arrestor hook
3. Full marinization against salt, humidity and corrosion
4. Increased wing area for better low-speed handling
5. More powerful engine (the current F404 is considered insufficient)
6. STOBAR + future CATOBAR compatibility

It's clear that almost everything about the aircraft will change, including its wing design. They're not talking about sharing components between KAAN and Hürjet here. However, I don't think it will be in the same class as the F-18. It could end up somewhere between the F-16 and JF-17.

If they aren't going to buy the F414 from the US, the aircraft will likely switch from the currently announced single-engine configuration to a twin-engine design. There's also the domestic TF10000 engine, as well as the TF35000, which is still under development. They're not going to insist on a single-engine design and then put a TF35000 in it. If they use the TF10000, it will become twin-engine and end up closer to the JF-17 in terms of class. If they switch to the F414, it will remain single-engine and move towards something more like the Gripen.

The biggest issue is how extensively the aircraft will have to change. This will extend development time, and the engine choice will determine whether it becomes a domestically powered twin-engine aircraft or a single-engine aircraft with a foreign engine. That's an additional burden on TUSAŞ either way.

We'll probably see some developments soon. For now, though, discussing this is mostly speculation.

The government is opening its wallet for the Navy again. Then again, it never really closed it in the first place. Designing an entirely new aircraft from scratch for the for, one aircraft carrier or maybe even a second one, seems a bit unnecessary to me. But there's not much choice when both overt and covert embargoes are forcing them down this path.

 

[hyperman]

@Oublious

@Ali_Baba

The Germans are Fked. Italians are blocking them from participating in the GCAP.

And now that the French option is also closed, Germans will have to either decide to go down the route of building their own and maybe bringing in Sweden or Spain, or letting that industry die, the same way Germans are letting the rest of their manufacturing capacity die.

I think there is an opening here for Turkiye to poach Spain into KAAN.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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@Oublious

@Ali_Baba

The Germans are Fked. Italians are blocking them from participating in the GCAP.

And now that the French option is also closed, Germans will have to either decide to go down the route of building their own and maybe bringing in Sweden or Spain, or letting that industry die, the same way Germans are letting the rest of their manufacturing capacity die.

I think there is an opening here for Turkiye to poach Spain into KAAN.

There is a good chance for Spain to either join GCAP as an observer to buy off the shelf, or go into the Kaan as you say. All to play for. Just don't let the Germans get into the Kaan programme as a "partner" nation and you will be fine.

The Germans and the French were both responsible for the disaster that was the Eurofighter programme, so they both deserve each other - lol !!!

And - yes, as of now, Germany is royally F'ked ..

 

[Oublious]

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@Ali_Baba

The Germans are Fked. Italians are blocking them from participating in the GCAP.

And now that the French option is also closed, Germans will have to either decide to go down the route of building their own and maybe bringing in Sweden or Spain, or letting that industry die, the same way Germans are letting the rest of their manufacturing capacity die.

I think there is an opening here for Turkiye to poach Spain into KAAN.

AHaahh, if i was. I would invite them and tell them sorry we don't want you. Only say it in person.....

 

[RescueRanger]

ITS TIME!!!

 

[Afif]

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@Ali_Baba

The Germans are Fked. Italians are blocking them from participating in the GCAP.

Italy said Saturday it fully supports Germany’s participation in the Global Combat Air Programme, rejecting reports that Rome had sought to block Berlin from joining.

Italy Says It Fully Backs Germany Joining GCAP Fighter Program · Clash Report

Italy said Saturday it fully supports Germany joining the GCAP fighter program and called a Financial Times report on Rome’s opposition “entirely misleading.”

clashreport.com

 

[Ali_Baba]

Italy said Saturday it fully supports Germany’s participation in the Global Combat Air Programme, rejecting reports that Rome had sought to block Berlin from joining.

Italy Says It Fully Backs Germany Joining GCAP Fighter Program · Clash Report

Italy said Saturday it fully supports Germany joining the GCAP fighter program and called a Financial Times report on Rome’s opposition “entirely misleading.”

clashreport.com

But only supports as an observer and not as a full participant. ie same as Canada and India.

 

[lzhao121]

Back then, Pakistan reportedly transferred technologies related to the JF-17 Thunder, jointly developed by China and Pakistan, to Türkiye, providing significant support for the development of Türkiye’s aerospace industry. This reportedly caused dissatisfaction in China and led China to restrict and delay the delivery of J-35 fighter jets to Pakistan.

If that is indeed the case, Pakistan should continue sharing relevant J-10C technologies with Türkiye, further supporting the aerospace industry of its fellow Muslim brotherly nation and contributing to the broader Muslim world.

Openly egging Pakistan on to steal technology—that is certainly not how a decent friend should behave; it’s truly sleazy.
And honestly, have you no shame? Aren’t you supposed to be Turkic? Why are you suddenly waving the banner of the "Islamic world"? Your Turkic ancestors practiced Shamanism—why don’t you follow that? Did your ancestors get it wrong, or are you the one who’s mistaken? Tell you what: why don’t you and your ancestors have a go at each other—whoever wins gets to decide which faith to follow...

Looking at history, Turkey has frequently sought to co-opt and rally Muslim-majority nations—only to leave the Middle East fragmented and vulnerable to being picked off one by one by Israel. In reality, Turkey has actively supported and advanced Israeli interests regarding Syria and Pakistan; they pay plenty of lip service while doing the bare minimum, all the while providing covert assistance. Israel and India are allies in their shared opposition to Muslim-majority states. It is therefore reasonable to infer that, in the aerospace sector, Turkey is effectively sabotaging Pakistan. By collaborating with Pakistan, Turkey can gain access to—and potentially pilfer—Chinese technology, while simultaneously delaying or even preventing the delivery of the J-35, thereby buying time for India. It’s a move that serves multiple strategic objectives at once.

Ordinary Chinese people have clear-cut views on who to support and who to oppose; they genuinely wish for Pakistan to acquire advanced weaponry—such as the J-35—as soon as possible, to help it defend its sovereignty, develop its economy, and improve the livelihoods of its people. At the same time, however, there is deep concern that such technology might leak to Turkey—a fickle, anti-Chinese nation that has consistently supported terrorist forces in Xinjiang in an attempt to fracture China, much as India has supported separatist elements within Pakistan. For any Chinese person, leaking such technology to Turkey would be a betrayal of the civilians and military personnel who have sacrificed their lives in Xinjiang—just as no Pakistani would ever leak such technology to India.

There is a certain country that acts like a bat—sometimes claiming to be a Turkic nation, other times a Muslim nation, and at other times a European one... It treats the dignity of its own ancestors as a mere tool, using empty concepts to pull off scams, swindles, and thefts. It is truly shameless.

To speak of theft in such a casual and self-righteous manner reveals a profound lack of moral character. I am convinced that the closer Pakistan’s cooperation with Turkey becomes, the more stagnant its aviation industry will remain, and the higher the price it will pay for military modernization. As an ordinary Chinese citizen, I am happy to see our "iron-clad" friend, Pakistan, broaden its circle of acquaintances—maintaining friendly relations with both China and the United States, and reaping benefits from both powers. That would show a high level of diplomatic skill, and I would be genuinely pleased for you, ready to give a big thumbs-up. However, collaborating with a thief—one who even goes so far as to falsely claim other people’s ancestors as their own—is a sign of poor taste. It is as if someone, having the opportunity to secure a seat at the head table of a banquet, chooses instead to strike up a lively conversation with a beggar at the door. Those at the head table would naturally be baffled and perplexed—and, above all, thoroughly disgusted.

 

[Flotilla]

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@Oublious

@Ali_Baba


I think there is an opening here for Turkiye to poach Spain into KAAN.

I would like. Seems that Hürjet program is going well and Government is satisfied with spanish participation.

But let's be honest, everything is on the 29 november general elections. If Pedro Sánchez loose, we will have F35 and never KAAN.

People doesn't understand that F35 has a logistic a technology cap. Except Israel no one other user can develop It autonomously. Additionally F35 is the slowest, least maneouverable and lowest payload of all 5 gen aircrafts in service or even in design.

We should buy some more Typhoons and then purchase 2 squadrons of KAAN.