The Most Shameful Diwali Celebration in India, Indians Completely Lost Their Senses!

[Jaeger]

Read my post very slowly.

1. Where have I said Alexander invaded vedic era Pakistan?

I clearly said Alexander invaded Hindush. Hindush was formed in the vedic era by Achaemenids. Alexander invaded after the vedic era. I never said anything to the contrary.

2. The "Indic" civilisation seems a fabricated term to me. Kindly use the proper terminology - in this case, use "Indus Valley Civilisation", which is closest to what you say, but importantly, associates that region with the river Indus. I can understand why you have tried to tease the Indus out of that definition and reframe it as "Indic" rather than "Indus Valley", as your variant term redefines the entire phrase as something relatable to other parts of the "Indian subcontinent", but such gibberish simply won't fly outside of your Gangadeshi seminar group classes.

3. The Pakistan I refer to was indeed inhabited by the denizens of the Indus Valley Civilisation. They were in a region called "Hindush" by the Achaemenids, not to be confused with the word "Hindus", which is the term that describes people who adhere to the Hindu faith, irrespective of their location on earth. "Hindus" and "Hindush" are not interchangeable at all since they describe different things entirely. Moreover, "Bharatis" is not a term applicable to the Indus Valley Civilisation as they never called themselves that. Aside from the mythology of religious texts, it was first recorded as a localising term on stone inscriptions in Odisha.

4. As for Pakistan (its precursor forms: The IVC, later Hindush) being a political entity, it was precisely as much a political entity as Bharat was in the vedic era.

Hindush was anciently referred to by the Greeks in Asia Minor as India, and its inhabitants were called Indians.
The People: The ancient inhabitants of the lower Indus Valley and surrounding eastern territories governed by the Persian Empire were called the people of Hindush or ancient Indians by Greek writers like Herodotus.

The people of this region followed the indigenous religious and philosophical traditions of the Indian subcontinent, which later came to be known collectively as Hinduism, or Sanatana Dharma ("the eternal spiritual path").

Over centuries, as cultural and linguistic shifts occurred, the Persian geographical term land belief systems were eventually categorized by outsiders and practitioners alike as the religion of Hinduism.

Key Religious Traditions Followed

Instead of a single, centralized church or dogma, the inhabitants practiced diverse, evolving traditions centered on shared foundational concepts:
• The Vedas and Upanishads: The sacred Śruti texts that formed the early liturgical, philosophical, and ritual baseline.
• Core Dharmic Concepts: Belief in Dharma (cosmic and moral order), Karma (action and consequence), Saṃsāra (the cycle of rebirth), and Moksha (spiritual liberation).
• Major Denominations: Over time, these split and matured into major traditions such as Vaishnavism (devotion to Vishnu), Shaivism (devotion to Shiva), and Shaktism (devotion to the Divine Mother/Shakti), alongside philosophical schools like Yoga and Vedanta

 

[PK781]

There is usually no issue or problem when/if the people who wanna celebrate it do it in a discreet manner and do not force it on others, or cause disruptions in foreign countries.........u wanna celebrate? Do it at home or rent some hall or venue.

But do not pollute or block streets, set fires and trash the place, and the most important thing........STOP forcing it on everyone. It is a hindu festival so keep it to your own communities......stop bringing it to workplaces and forcing it at workplaces (waste of time).

 

[Maira La]

It was always "Bharat" or a few other quite varied and alternative sanskritised terminologies, but certainly not "India".

It wasn't even 'Bharat'. Empires did not have formal names that could be published in some ancient world map. The ever-changing territorial extent of the empire was identified as land belonging to the King/Emperor, as simple as that.

 

[K2RULEZ]

It's from Urdu Diary. There's nothing to see here.

"Saaaar, Urdu diary haram! India da besht!"

 

[Master Chief]

Hindush was anciently referred to by the Greeks in Asia Minor as India, and its inhabitants were called Indians.
The People: The ancient inhabitants of the lower Indus Valley and surrounding eastern territories governed by the Persian Empire were called the people of Hindush or ancient Indians by Greek writers like Herodotus.

Hindush was a formal province under Persian administration. It only came into being when the Achaemenids took over the region around the Indus.

The Greeks called the geographical region India because the Persians did. Both the Greek and Persian derivatives came from "Sindhu", a Sanskrit term for the River Indus.

Do you understand? AI generated drivel will not teach you simple geographical realities.

The word "India" came from a word explicitly designated for a single river.

Whether the Sanskrit, the Greek, or the Persian perspective is adopted, "India" referred solely to the Indus and its floodplain in its original sense.

Subsequent corruption has led an entire subcontinent to be termed as "India", which was even then only a geographical designation, not a term given to a unified nation state.

The people of this region followed the indigenous religious and philosophical traditions of the Indian subcontinent, which later came to be known collectively as Hinduism, or Sanatana Dharma ("the eternal spiritual path").

Originally those people were animists, with some evidence of Shiva worship at most. This does not make them vedic hindus. Your "later came to be known collectively as..." statement requires substantiation if you wish to prove the inference that AI has made on your behalf. For now, it is pure speculation that pre-vedic cultures of the Indus Valley would ever have somehow become vedic Hinduism without the influences of Steppeland immigrants from Ukraine.

Over centuries, as cultural and linguistic shifts occurred, the Persian geographical term land belief systems were eventually categorized by outsiders and practitioners alike as the religion of Hinduism.

More speculation devoid of context. "Shifts" didn't simply "occur". Foreigners came from Ukraine (the Aryans) and brought linguistic, cultural, and religious ideologies that were then inserted into the region.

The pre-vedic IVC inhabitants happily ate beef. There is no evidence that they adhered to caste doctrine. Many have argued that the original IVC natives were the "mlecchas" described in vedic scriptures. The term literally refers to those who cannot communicate in Sanskrit.

Yes the religion of the region was, at some point, vedic Hinduism, but it wasn't always and you have no evidence that the original animistic faith would naturally have become vedic Hinduism without outside influence from Aryan migrants.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Hindush was a formal province under Persian administration. It only came into being when the Achaemenids took over the region around the Indus.

The Greeks called the geographical region India because the Persians did. Both the Greek and Persian derivatives came from "Sindhu", a Sanskrit term for the River Indus.

Do you understand? AI generated drivel will not teach you simple geographical realities.

The word "India" came from a word explicitly designated for a single river.

Whether the Sanskrit, the Greek, or the Persian perspective is adopted, "India" referred solely to the Indus and its floodplain in its original sense.

Subsequent corruption has led an entire subcontinent to be termed as "India", which was even then only a geographical designation, not a term given to a unified nation state.



Originally those people were animists, with some evidence of Shiva worship at most. This does not make them vedic hindus. Your "later came to be known collectively as..." statement requires substantiation if you wish to prove the inference that AI has made on your behalf. For now, it is pure speculation that pre-vedic cultures of the Indus Valley would ever have somehow become vedic Hinduism without the influences of Steppeland immigrants from Ukraine.



More speculation devoid of context. "Shifts" didn't simply "occur". Foreigners came from Ukraine (the Aryans) and brought linguistic, cultural, and religious ideologies that were then inserted into the region.

The pre-vedic IVC inhabitants happily ate beef. There is no evidence that they adhered to caste doctrine. Many have argued that the original IVC natives were the "mlecchas" described in vedic scriptures. The term literally refers to those who cannot communicate in Sanskrit.

Yes the religion of the region was, at some point, vedic Hinduism, but it wasn't always and you have no evidence that the original animistic faith would naturally have become vedic Hinduism without outside influence from Aryan migrants.

All this knowledge u r dropping on him is going to fall on deaf ears bcuz most Indians like him cannot get out of this "mera bharat mahaan" mindset(however flawed and devoid of reality it might be).