There is no good reason for US to avoid Vietnam anniversary

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rather dead than end in slavery

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Slavery in Vietnam effectively ended when French colonial rule came to an end. The Vietnam War, at its core, was nothing more and nothing less than a clash of ideologies.
And if we're talking about slavery, I'm pretty sure life got even harsher for the Vietnamese after the so-called "liberation".

Mr. Phan Dien: We have overcome 'communist arrogance'​


After 1975, the winner's arrogance was one of the causes of many crises that made Vietnam "pay a painful price", former Politburo member and former permanent member of the Secretariat, Phan Dien shared with VnExpress.

- This year marks the 30th anniversary of the 6th Party Congress - the pivotal Congress that made the decision on Renovation. When you think of "the night before Renovation", what do you remember most?

- Recalling the subsidy period, I immediately remember the shortages, from food, fish sauce, salt to common consumer goods such as towels, soap, needles, threads...

Leaders began to feel the difficulties that the country was enduring, in addition to objective causes, there were also subjective causes due to our incorrect way of doing things, the state's management of society and the economy was somewhat unreasonable. For example, the 5% of land reserved for members had very high productivity, but the productivity of the common land of the cooperative was very low.

- After the country's reunification, what options does Vietnam have when deciding on the economic and social management model, sir?

- Every decision comes from a specific historical context. Looking back now, there is time to reflect, but at that time the situation was very complicated and urgent. The war had not ended long ago, everything was still in disarray, then the country entered two wars against invaders at the southwestern and northern borders.

The mainstream thinking at that time was that the North must certainly continue to build socialism according to the economic model being implemented before the war.

The question is what should the economic path of the South be like? The Party and the State have decided that the South must follow the path of the North. In the South, we decided to quickly reform the economy to socialism, abolish the private economy, promote cooperativization, and widely build agricultural cooperatives.

The entire economy strived to rapidly expand the state-owned economy and the collective economy, striving to complete socialist transformation and build new production relations in a relatively short time. This was also the only economic model that Vietnam knew at that time, and which the entire socialist bloc had been applying.

- At that time, was there any other way for the Southern economy when there were already seeds of private economy and market economy?

- After the reunification, in the first conferences of the Central Committee discussing the economic development policy of the South, initially, there was a proposal among the leadership: with the unique historical characteristics of the South, should we let the private economy and the market economy continue to develop for a while? If there is any reform, it needs to be tested step by step, cautiously, and experience should be learned while doing it... However, this idea has not received consensus from the collective. The Party and State leaders have decided to continue applying the economic model of the North.

- Looking back at the successes and shortcomings of that stage management method, what do you think we could have done differently?

- In my personal opinion, at that time we can follow the suggestions of some comrades as mentioned above, that is, do not rush to immediately carry out the socialist reform of the entire economy. Let the South continue to exist and develop a multi-ownership, multi-sector economy, including the private economy...

- So what do you think caused us to make the wrong moves and pay the price?

- I think we have more or less become subjective, which can be called "communist arrogance" after the 1975 victory. This can be understood as stemming from pride in our ideals and successes on the revolutionary path, but then going too far into a subjective tendency...

In Vietnam after the country's reunification, subjectivity is probably more evident in other areas. As for the economy, it is not arrogance but mainly due to a perception that is not suitable for reality and not in accordance with objective laws. We are too lacking in knowledge and experience, and we are convinced that the way of doing things in socialist countries is the only correct way, and that is all that must be learned. Moreover, the mainstream mentality at this time is "North and South have reunited as one family, if there are conditions to bring the whole country onto the path of socialism, there is no reason to hesitate".
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China will also make sure to not transfer any tech or supply chain to the treasonous Vietnam.

It is the time to squeeze you to death along with India.

Your labor cost will no longer serve any purpose to us when our highly automated dark factory controlled by the AI is ready.

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Tiger, why so hostile?
given both VN, CN facing common tensions with US it’s better to do together than not do together.
about tech transfer, the chance is low Ccp will transfer any tech to Vietnam.


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Tiger, why so hostile?
given both VN, CN facing common tensions with US it’s better to do together than not do together.
about tech transfer, the chance is low Ccp will transfer any tech to Vietnam.


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No thanks, Vietnam can side with the US.

I don't need the US, nor we need Vietnam.
 
Yes, not as low as you white azz kissing one. The French had no business to be back in Vietnam after WW II, they should stayed in France . What Vietcongs and their allies did in Vietnam were Vietnamese business only, non of French business, dumb.
You are correct that France had not business in Indochina, but then Ho Chi Minh made a deal with France to return France to VN. That is a RECORDED fact that even Viet Nam today do not deny.
 
No, Ho Chi Minh did not make a deal with France to return them to Vietnam.
I told you that I would make you look the ignorant fool you really are...


Ho Chi Minh and Jean Sainteny are good friends, if not close friends. France asked Sainteny if he can do anything with the Indochina situation and Sainteny said yes. The rest is history as how Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh enabled France to return to VN.
 
I told you that I would make you look the ignorant fool you really are...


Ho Chi Minh and Jean Sainteny are good friends, if not close friends. France asked Sainteny if he can do anything with the Indochina situation and Sainteny said yes. The rest is history as how Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh enabled France to return to VN.
Fool. it just said Viet Minh and Ho enabled France to return to Vietnam, didn't say Ho invited France back, lol. Enabled could mean France's reaction to return due to some actions of Ho and Viet Minh in Vietnam that France didn't like, so this was a problem of Ho, but France.

Ho Chi Minh made a deal with France to return France to VN ?

No, Ho Chi Minh did not make a deal with France to return them to Vietnam. In fact, he led the Viet Minh to fight for Vietnamese independence from France, culminating in the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

  • Initial French Attempts to Regain Control:
    After World War II, France attempted to re-establish its colonial control over Indochina, including Vietnam.
  • Viet Minh Resistance:
    Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh resisted these French efforts, launching a war for Vietnamese independence.
  • French Defeat at Dien Bien Phu:
    The Viet Minh decisively defeated the French at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, leading to the end of the French presence in Indochina.
  • Geneva Accords:
    Following the French defeat, the Geneva Accords of 1954 divided Vietnam into North and South, with the Viet Minh controlling the North. The accords also called for reunification elections in 1956, which never took place.
  • Ho Chi Minh's Leadership:
    Ho Chi Minh remained the leader of North Vietnam and played a key role in the Vietnam War, supporting the Viet Cong insurgency in the South.
  • Reunification:
    North Vietnam eventually won the Vietnam War and unified the country in 1975.



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Why did the French return to Vietnam?


The central fact of French involvement in Vietnam was the persistent seven-year effort to re-establish French colonial rule. French forces were pitted against a Communist-led revolution for national independence; at no point did France offer Vietnam the alternative of non-Communist independence.

 

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Ho Chi Minh made a deal with France to return France to VN ?
You can recopy/repaste all you want, but the unknown number of silent readers out there know by now -- that it was Ho Chi Minh himself who returned France to VN.
 
It was the Vietnamese communists, the Viet Minh and Ho Chi Minh himself, that got France to return to Viet Nam.
didn't the Vietcongs drive your corrupt family out of the country? you are probably the most biased person on this subject here...

still harbouring such resentment towards the VCP, after all these years. wow.
 
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