Turkey Said to Seek Membership of Saudi-Pakistan Defense Pact

[313Ghazi]

InshaAllah this becomes a reality. The Muslim world needs to stick together and expel from amongst us those who oppose that. There is benefit for all three nations.

I just wish our nation would take this tiny steps in the right direction which are needed for us to be a stable, prosperous partner in our own right. Our financial situation, our political instability and our low standards of living are embarrassing.

I wish we could have the stability and growth to reverse the brain drain and see people return and Pakistani burn red hot with development.

This is the influence we have with our joke of a country - imagine the potential if we were a proper functioning state.

 

[kimjongun]

The US already has Nukes in turkiye and how would we put them in a "nuclear umbrella" as turkeys major enemy is greece(corect me if im wrong here) so are we gonna aim at a NATO member now? also would turkiye being a nato member be allowed to join here?

Even if the trio or quad works out..who will benefit from it aside from the turks(have a way better economy) and the arabs(free security and they already have deep pockets) not us probably...there will be aid here and there some new things being purchased or some industry being developed...but the thing is last time i checked our internal politics is pretty shit rn...

Aside from all the hopium and copium , I just want to say that what ever happens this nation shall not fall and shall not loose its freedom and just increase its economy and foreign reserves.

 

[tower9]

China can be stronger then 10 years ago, still not capable to force power and protect allies is a fact.

You're right, no one has US's power projection, which was built through a century. China has few core allies that it would actually militarily involve itself in their protection. Pakistan is one of them, China played a crucial role in supplying Pakistan and putting experts on the ground coordinating with the Pakistani military to defeat India. North Korea is another one. Also, if Russia was truly in danger of collapse, China will likely step in. Even if China developed the same power projection capabilities as the US, I doubt China would be interested in the same type of military empire as the US.

Other than that, China's main goal is to build an alternative financial, economic, technological infrastructure that could withstand the any aggression from the West. This is actually far more difficult than simply lashing out against the West, which would make you isolated with sanctions and then lead to your collapse.

 

[battalion25]

You're right, no one has US's power projection, which was built through a century. China has few core allies that it would actually militarily involve itself in their protection. Pakistan is one of them, China played a crucial role in supplying Pakistan and putting experts on the ground coordinating with the Pakistani military to defeat India. North Korea is another one. Also, if Russia was truly in danger of collapse, China will likely step in. Even if China developed the same power projection capabilities as the US, I doubt China would be interested in the same type of military empire as the US.

Other than that, China's main goal is to build an alternative financial, economic, technological infrastructure that could withstand the any aggression from the West. This is actually far more difficult than simply lashing out against the West, which would make you isolated with sanctions and then lead to your collapse.

I agree with you.

To make it short China is playing the long game and betting on to outpace everyone including the west and then take over the world hegemony.

China doesn´t see itself ready today until they feel like they are far ahead of everyone

 

[tower9]

I agree with you.

To make it short China is playing the long game and betting on to outpace everyone including the west and then take over the world hegemony.

China doesn´t see itself ready today until they feel like they are far ahead of everyone

Except China isn't interested in world hegemony. Definitely not in the American sense.

We will never experience again the period between 1991 to circa 2020, when the world has one great hyperpower.

Even if China developed the same power and dominance as the US did, it has no interest in changing regimes, forcing other countries to adapt to China's system and has no interest in involving itself in wars all over the world.

This doesn't mean that China doesn't want to be No. 1. It ABSOLUTELY wants to be No. 1 and the world's most powerful country. But a world where China is No. 1 would look very different from the Western dominated world we knew.

 

[ARMalik]

I Really don't think how it will benefit turkey .
Iran ,saudi ,Turkey all three wanna be leader of midde east .

This Indian CLown is running rampant on this forum. Mods need to take action.

 

[ARMalik]

Why not? It's actually good for Saudi because Turkiye is right there near Saudi. Pakistan is further away. It's much easier, logistically, for Turkiye to help Saudi than for Pakistan.

So if Saudis were this fond of Turkey, why not have a strategic pact with turkey rather than Pakistan?? There is a reason why Saudis got independence from the Ottomon Empire !

Once again, IT IS BAD IDEA TO GET TURKEY INVOLVED IN THIS SPECIALLY IF THE SAUDIS DO NOT WANT TURKEY IN THIS.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

So if Saudis were this fond of Turkey, why not have a strategic pact with turkey rather than Pakistan?? There is a reason why Saudis got independence from the Ottomon Empire !

Once again, IT IS BAD IDEA TO GET TURKEY INVOLVED IN THIS SPECIALLY IF THE SAUDIS DO NOT WANT TURKEY IN THIS.

You are twisting historical facts to make your point.

 

[battalion25]

Except China isn't interested in world hegemony. Definitely not in the American sense.

We will never experience again the period between 1991 to circa 2020, when the world has one great hyperpower.

Even if China developed the same power and dominance as the US did, it has no interest in changing regimes, forcing other countries to adapt to China's system and has no interest in involving itself in wars all over the world.

This doesn't mean that China doesn't want to be No. 1. It ABSOLUTELY wants to be No. 1 and the world's most powerful country. But a world where China is No. 1 would look very different from the Western dominated world we knew.

Everyone is interested in shaping the world in their own image.. hence yes everyone wants hegemony

 

[Cash gk]

That's what I've been saying in my articles. Their only chance to survive is to stick together; otherwise, they are already done.

Zionist America is ready to take over green land from Christen Europe. They already attacked first Christian country.

 

[MH.Yang]

I agree with you.

To make it short China is playing the long game and betting on to outpace everyone including the west and then take over the world hegemony.

China doesn´t see itself ready today until they feel like they are far ahead of everyone

No. China has no interest in world hegemony. We are very clear that world hegemony is a trap, and it will ruin any country thatires it.

I want you to understand that even if China becomes the strongest country, China has no interest in controlling the direction of the world's development. Because unbalanced will inevitably destroy the power holder.

 

[MH.Yang]

So if Saudis were this fond of Turkey, why not have a strategic pact with turkey rather than Pakistan?? There is a reason why Saudis got independence from the Ottomon Empire !

Once again, IT IS BAD IDEA TO GET TURKEY INVOLVED IN THIS SPECIALLY IF THE SAUDIS DO NOT WANT TURKEY IN THIS.

The reason why Pakistan is leading this alliance is for this reason. Not only because Pakistan is the only Islamic country with nuclear weapons, but also because Pakistan is only country that can unite Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Turkey.
Pakistan is still a bridge between China and the Islamic world.

 

[ARMalik]

You are twisting historical facts to make your point.

Do us all a favour and change your forum name to "Pakistantinhat".

 

[ARMalik]

The reason why Pakistan is leading this alliance is for this reason. Not only because Pakistan is the only Islamic country with nuclear weapons, but also because Pakistan is only country that can unite Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Turkey.
Pakistan is still a bridge between China and the Islamic world.

I know where you are coming from but honestly Saudi's, turks and iran are too arrogant to consider Pakistan as some sort of bridge. The only reason they are in this game is due to the uncertain stategic times which whole region is facing. And these countries fear their survival is at stake.

 

[MMM-E]

Once again, IT IS BAD IDEA TO GET TURKEY INVOLVED IN THIS SPECIALLY IF THE SAUDIS DO NOT WANT TURKEY IN THIS.

Pakistan alone can not protect S.Arabia against Israel-USA
( Pakistan has weak Navy , weak Defense Industry , weak hybrid war capability , No political power , etc )

They can use India to block Pakistan, and Pakistan cannot even take a step to help S.Arabia

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S.Arabia and Pakistan lacks Defense Industry and technology which are almost fully dependent on USA or China

We all know , whats going to first ran out at a war ( You need advanced defense industry to produce everything to become real military power )

Turkish Defense Industry can allow both Countries to make completely independent decisions and act in foreign policy .... also resilience against possible embargoes - sanctions


TURKIYE : Well trained capable Military , Power projection , soft power , man power , Money , Industrial complex , Defense Industry and technology

S.ARABIA : Huge Money , oil , soft power , modern equipment

PAKISTAN : Capable Military , man power , Nuclear Weapons