Turkey Syria - News & Updates

[hyperman]

 

[Eşbah]

Syrian government has banned Turkish language classes.

Have the Turkmens in Syria been forgotten?

For years, the Turkmens have been struggling for the unity, homeland, and future of Syria; today, they should not be forced to defend their right to learn and preserve their own language.

Turkish education is not a privilege; it is the fundamental cultural right of the Turkmens.

Why is this happening, you might ask yourselves?

This situation arises because, unlike Iran, Turkey does not fully dominate its allies. The drawback of this approach is that these capitals maintain a high degree of independence. For instance, Damascus often chooses to collaborate with other Arab nations rather than engage with Turkish investments. On the bright side, this also spares Turkey from the potentially severe repercussions that could come from enforcing its hegemony, as seen in the cases of Iran and Syria, Iraq, Lebanon.

Let there be no doubt, Damascus would readily align with Israel if they were offered security guarantees that they deemed trustworthy.

Turkey's influence in Syria will continue to be significant, obviously, as long as the Israeli threat persists. However, once the new Syrian government negotiates an agreement with Tel Aviv, our relationship with Damascus will shift dramatically towards one of neighboring states prioritizing trade over military collaboration. This will happen.

This does not imply that we cannot establish clear boundaries for the Syrians that they must not overstep; however, the nature of our relationship will evolve, increasingly depending on Turkish military strength as it was in the past.

The next Israeli administration is likely to propose a deal to the Syrians. Remember my words. @Ali_Baba

 

[hyperman]

Syrian government has banned Turkish language classes.

Have the Turkmens in Syria been forgotten?

For years, the Turkmens have been struggling for the unity, homeland, and future of Syria; today, they should not be forced to defend their right to learn and preserve their own language.

Turkish education is not a privilege; it is the fundamental cultural right of the Turkmens.

Why is this happening, you might ask yourselves?

This situation arises because, unlike Iran, Turkey does not fully dominate its allies. The drawback of this approach is that these capitals maintain a high degree of independence. For instance, Damascus often chooses to collaborate with other Arab nations rather than engage with Turkish investments. On the bright side, this also spares Turkey from the potentially severe repercussions that could come from enforcing its hegemony, as seen in the cases of Iran and Syria, Iraq, Lebanon.

Let there be no doubt, Damascus would readily align with Israel if they were offered security guarantees that they deemed trustworthy.

Turkey's influence in Syria will continue to be significant, obviously, as long as the Israeli threat persists. However, once the new Syrian government negotiates an agreement with Tel Aviv, our relationship with Damascus will shift dramatically towards one of neighboring states prioritizing trade over military collaboration. This will happen.

This does not imply that we cannot establish clear boundaries for the Syrians that they must not overstep; however, the nature of our relationship will evolve, increasingly depending on Turkish military strength as it was in the past.

The next Israeli administration is likely to propose a deal to the Syrians. Remember my words. @Ali_Baba

They haven't banned it. There were optional languages offered in language class in school and they replaced it with French, which is a bureaucratic mistake, but Im sure with the new constitution, since they are giving Kurds language to be protected in the constitution, they will likely also add Turkish to it.

 

[hyperman]

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I would elaborate and tell you exactly why, and how our perception of Iran completely flipped from the most respected and admired Muslim country just a decade ago, including for myself and entire Sunni family and alot of my friends, and frankly tens of millions of others all across the middle east and around the globe, to finally waking up and realizing the ruse we've been duped into believing by them and their advocates, and how it really was just a sham to further their own selfish interest and power grabs across the region, and nothing more. It's been a massive eye opener and red pilling decade on how Iran and it's actions across the entire region has been viewed and judged. This war is just icing on the cake, it only further reinforces what has become very obvious to many of us now.

I would go into a lot more detail and breakdown, but I am probably going to get censored and banned from this thread since honest dissent is not welcomed here by the mod, I get the months long ban hammer hard and fast at the mildest of push backs. Tag me in another thread if you really want to know the full breakdown. But ya, we no longer buy their BS propaganda. They are no friends of ours, they are no champions of the down trodden oppressed Muslim masses like we thought they were and propagandized themselves as being. The ruse has run its course.

Continue here... as Turkiye is intertwined with today's Syria.

 

[Haz]

Continue here... as Turkiye is intertwined with today's Syria.

Ok sounds good, I'll make my post here. Thanks.

 

[Eşbah]

They haven't banned it. There were optional languages offered in language class in school and they replaced it with French, which is a bureaucratic mistake, but Im sure with the new constitution, since they are giving Kurds language to be protected in the constitution, they will likely also add Turkish to it.

This isn't the first time, and it definitely won't be the last, that certain members of the Syrian administration are either ignoring Turkey's concerns or completely disregarding its interests.

I get where you're coming from, but it's important to be more realistic about Turkish-Arab relations. You don't have to be a die-hard, radical Turkish racist to recognize the historical context.

We have shared interests but also disagreements mostly rooted in identity policies. You need to be aware of this fact.

 

[Haz]

This isn't the first time, and it definitely won't be the last, that certain members of the Syrian administration are either ignoring Turkey's concerns or completely disregarding its interests.

I get where you're coming from, but it's important to be more realistic about Turkish-Arab relations. You don't have to be a die-hard, radical Turkish racist to recognize the historical context.

We have shared interests but also disagreements mostly rooted in identity policies. You need to be aware of this fact.

Can you explain which concerns/interests you are talking about?

 

[hyperman]

Can you explain which concerns/interests you are talking about?

The language privileges given to the Kurds should also be given to the Syrian Turkmen, many of whom fought and died for the revolution and the territorial integrity of Syria.

 

[Haz]

The language privileges given to the Kurds should also be given to the Syrian Turkmen, many of whom fought and died for the revolution and the territorial integrity of Syria.

I meant besides the language issue, you mentioned they've ignored alot of other concerns. Which ones are you talking about?

 

[hyperman]

I meant besides the language issue, you mentioned they've ignored alot of other concerns. Which ones are you talking about?

Its primarily the linguistic and cultural elements, some elements have felt neglected in comparison to what the Kurds received.

Me Personally I don't think its significant, it will be rectified down the road. The shortcomings post Assad is more the result of bureaucratic inertia. At the higher level, Turkish and Syrian relations are pretty decent IMO. Lets see how things progress.

 

[Eşbah]

I meant besides the language issue, you mentioned they've ignored alot of other concerns. Which ones are you talking about?

Post in thread 'Turkey Syria - News & Updates'

Apr 4, 2025

• The Syrian government has implemented a significant increase in customs duties on imports from Turkey, raising them by as much as 500 percent, while also eliminating import duties for goods from Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) nations and Europe.
• Additionally, new visa fees have been introduced, requiring Turkish nationals to pay $150 for entry into Syria, a stark contrast to the visa-free access granted to them during Assad's dictatorship.
• Furthermore, the government has imposed a hidden ban on all Turkmen individuals from occupying important government positions.
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[Haz]

Its primarily the linguistic and cultural elements, some elements have felt neglected in comparison to what the Kurds received.

Me Personally I don't think its significant, it will be rectified down the road. The shortcomings post Assad is more the result of bureaucratic inertia. At the higher level, Turkish and Syrian relations are pretty decent IMO. Lets see how things progress.

Well in regards to the last point, I agree, I think they will remain strong and aligned for the most part. For Syrian Turkmen specifically, there isn't any other group that is more dear to us and consider them our brothers, they stood side by side with us since the very beginning, they are as close as family.

Regarding the language issue, it's a little complicated. Syria is very diverse, way too many small communities, every single one are trying to demand special rights, privileges, accommodation etc etc.

It's impossible to ever build a united cohesive country that is made of a patchwork of little minority enclaves all trying to do their own thing, that only leads to division and disunity, and language is by far the most important and critical denominator for everyone to have in common. It's just for bringing people together alot more easily and be able to interact, intermingle and do commerce, but also because all higher education in universities are in Arabic, if any kid is not educated properly in Arabic it will severely hurt their chances to get a proper higher education and join the professional workforce, which will also be expected to speak Arabic as you will be dealing with the larger public, 90% of which are Arab native speakers.

My guess is, and that's what I personally would favour, is they introduce Turkish language classes as optional extra credit courses for people interested to stay connected to their mother tongue, or offer a full day on the one of the weekend days as a Turkish classes course where you can have a small mini-curriculum entirely in Turkish, but it should simply be a small part of their overall standardized curriculum, which has to be in Arabic. They can't introduce full school classes exclusively in the Turkish language imo, I don't think it would be a great idea.

Also hope they do the same with the Kurds, I absolutely hate how much we conceded to them just to appease a small terrorist separatist group that doesn't even represent their wider community and many of their leaders weren't even from Syria. I still can't comprehend why he did that instead of just finished them off militarily when we had all the momentum and they were completely broken. What a pity.

Anyways, hopefully some agreeable compromise can be reached that can satisfy the Turkmen's community wishes, while also meeting the needs of Syria as well. I don't think it will be an issue, I'm sure it will be corrected.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Its a shame the syrians behave like this. Without Turkiye their nation was about to broken into 5 pieces.

But honestly arabs don't surprise me anymore. Their always doing stuff like this.