Turkey to build bomb shelters across the country

[hyperman]

see the mountain facilites thing is like only for the like strategic stuff and alll of this is on internet if you search about it..like kirana hill for eg...i am not talking about finnish or swiiss style large bunkers for hiding civillians but for military stuff etc...also this al supposed like ..there could be nukes here but we dont know type of stuff so only for nukes etc...as for second strike..Pak use the babur 3 slcm with a nuke warhead... again public available info...you are not gonna find info on secret sites here...its state secret...people can know so much by using satelte imagery
sites in mountains are india too like morkie and beawar in Rajasthan...etc etc..this info is also publicaly avaliable...i have been telling @ghazi52 to make a seperate thread for osint of indian strategic sites....which used to be present in old pdf...it very intresting

Brother, I asked for links and source.

"can you link me info on mountain facilities and second strike stuff(outside of the cruise missile from the sub)"

and you say "its on the internet". lol, and then mentioned the Babur SLCM for the second strike option when I asked for "outside of the cruise missile from the sub", I'm, aware of the Babar SLCM, which is why I asked for the other second strike options.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The time is likely lower than 5, I was just giving an estimate that people have floated, its mach 10-12 that missiles. regardless, the main thing is underground silos and the dazzlers I mentioned. That would lower response time to almost nothing.

mach 10 is the max speed not the average speed

and even if mach 10 is the average speed that still takes > 7 minutes to travel 1500km

launching from underground silos doesn't avoid detection from US spy sats

 

[Sam6536]

Great i guess you can never go wrong with precaution.

Meanwhile in India underground Metro stations are our bunkers i suppose. Considering you live in a T1 city lol.

I wonder if we'll ever build bunkers.

 

[Eşbah]

You have some good points,but I disagree on some others.

The "never to be trusted fully",unfortunately is correct. At times they had proven more loyal allies to some countries,than the West ever was,but other times they were as untrustworthy as the West in abandoning their allies. But then again,that's what most big powers do.

There's not a particular "anti-Muslim feeling",you have to remember though that it's justified up to a point. They had to endure invasions,attacks and occupation by the Golden Horde,Tatars and several wars with the Ottomans.

As for ther atrocities with the Ottomans,we have to take in mind that Ottomans too commited numerous atrocities.

Their "love" for Israeli Zionists...I don't know how true that is. As a whole,the Russians don't love Jews. Maybe it's the current government,but then again maybe they're just afraid not to get into trouble. It is annoying though,how they were supposed to protect Syria as a superpower ally country and they let the IAF bomb wherever they wanted for 10 years. Now they're caught in a war of attrition for 3 years and retreated from Syria and Africa,so doing something diplomatically for Palestine is not realistic. But I don't see Putin actually going against Israel the last 15 years.

There's a misunderstanding. The Russian people as such show major anti-Jewish tendencies especially the conservative Orthodox segment of the Russian society has no sympathies whatsoever for Israel.

Nevertheless, the number of Russian oligarchs with a Jewish background is mind blowing. This is public knowledge and no weird Middle Eastern conspiracy theory.

Of the 18 Jewish oligarchs identified as likely sanctions targets, 15 are now subject to them. Together, they are worth over $120 billion.

Russia’s Jewish oligarchs, 4 months into war: Where are they now? | The Jerusalem Post

Of the 18 Jewish oligarchs identified as likely sanctions targets, 15 are now subject to them. Together, they are worth over $120 billion.

www.jpost.com

These are the people who influence decisions in Moscow’s state apparatus in favour of Israel. They have direct access to Putin and the highest levels of the Russian state.

Meanwhile most of them obtained Israeli citizenship. They can visit the US and Europe without any visa restriction.

This is slightly off topic but it's an important fact which also explains why Iran has been thrown under the bus by Putin.

 

[hyperman]

mach 10 is the max speed not the average speed

and even if mach 10 is the average speed that still takes > 7 minutes to travel 1500km

launching from underground silos doesn't avoid detection from US spy sats

There is no setup with an underground silo, they only detect it when it launched and that can be blocked atleast initially with Dazzlers blinding satelites, so where they won't find out until its already airborne and radar picks it up.

 

[War Historian]

Turkey is a smart nation. It's reading the future and getting ready for it. Pakistan needs to prepare for this same eventuality also. We know that time is coming. This message should be spread

@Hakikat ve Hikmet @MirageV3ff @mythbuster @PAKISTANFOREVER @War Historian @TOPGUN This is a great step by Turkey. We should socialize it for Pakistan as we will end up in this war also.

Sir, those shelter are not suitable for plains of Punjab and Sindh provinces. But shelters can be build in mountain areas of KPK , Kashmir,GB and vast barren area of Balochistan.But it require a huge amount to serve this cause and long term planning to make a secure supply chain of food and commodities in case of war.

 

[RajaBaja]

Sir, those shelter are not suitable for plains of Punjab and Sindh provinces. But shelters can be build in mountain areas of KPK , Kashmir,GB and vast barren area of Balochistan.But it require a huge amount to serve this cause and long term planning to make a secure supply chain of food and commodities in case of war.

It's easier to build these in mountains, yes. But in a 15 minute window of a potential nuclear attack scenario, how will over 50% of the population reach a safer place? Even if you take just few big cities, it can't be done.

Ukraine, Japan, Israel and many other nations have built these underground locations underneath their cities or places adjacent to cities. Essentially, they make it mandatory for new housing areas to have underground structures. All of our major cities have vast new developments around the cities called the housing societies. These areas can be built there.

 

[kimjongun]

Brother, I asked for links and source.

"can you link me info on mountain facilities and second strike stuff(outside of the cruise missile from the sub)"

and you say "its on the internet". lol, and then mentioned the Babur SLCM for the second strike option when I asked for "outside of the cruise missile from the sub", I'm, aware of the Babar SLCM, which is why I asked for the other second strike options.

1)No second strike capability except babur from subs...
2)FEDERATION OF AMERICAN SCIENTIST...this non profit organization has posted about Pakistani nuclear facilities including indian,chinese and others....you can further search by going on their website...
3)dont mind but you can just simply search about it n youtube and videos will come(made by indians)

 

[Foinikas]

There's a misunderstanding. The Russian people as such show major anti-Jewish tendencies especially the conservative Orthodox segment of the Russian society has no sympathies whatsoever for Israel.

Nevertheless, the number of Russian oligarchs with a Jewish background is mind blowing. This is public knowledge and no weird Middle Eastern conspiracy theory.

Of the 18 Jewish oligarchs identified as likely sanctions targets, 15 are now subject to them. Together, they are worth over $120 billion.

Russia’s Jewish oligarchs, 4 months into war: Where are they now? | The Jerusalem Post

Of the 18 Jewish oligarchs identified as likely sanctions targets, 15 are now subject to them. Together, they are worth over $120 billion.

www.jpost.com

These are the people who influence decisions in Moscow’s state apparatus in favour of Israel. They have direct access to Putin and the highest levels of the Russian state.

Meanwhile most of them obtained Israeli citizenship. They can visit the US and Europe without any visa restriction.

This is slightly off topic but it's an important fact which also explains why Iran has been thrown under the bus by Putin.

Agreed! And Putin still relies on them. It is important,it's very important as it affects Russia foreign policy.

 

[kimjongun]

It's easier to build these in mountains, yes. But in a 15 minute window of a potential nuclear attack scenario, how will over 50% of the population reach a safer place? Even if you take just few big cities, it can't be done.

Ukraine, Japan, Israel and many other nations have built these underground locations underneath their cities or places adjacent to cities. Essentially, they make it mandatory for new housing areas to have underground structures. All of our major cities have vast new developments around the cities called the housing societies. These areas can be built there.

The problem with nuclear explosions going off in your city is not just the shockwave aur the heat..its the immense radiation you will endure after the blast...the subway systems of RUSSIA,JAPAN, or even DPRK are very deep but don't have capable cbrn filteration systems to deal with the threat....the large populations of our countries makes it impossible for us to make these facilities and stack them up with freeze dried foods...there are two countires in this world that can accommodate and save its whole population in an event of a nuke attack..its FINLAND and SWISS...
reasons are:
1)smaller population
2)finlands constant fear of a soviet/russian attack and the neutrality in case of swiss
3)experince due to cold war....and the influence of strong economies...
the subways and metros are good only for protection against a conventional war as we have seen in ukraine...also the reaction times also come into play...

 

[Persian Gulf]

There is no setup with an underground silo, they only detect it when it launched and that can be blocked atleast initially with Dazzlers blinding satelites, so where they won't find out until its already airborne and radar picks it up.

7-10 minutes already assumes they only detect the missile once launched (vs while it's being prepared for launch in the open)

any precedent for countries blinding the US spy satellite constellation? would need to know exactly which sats. not easy

 

[KingQamaR]

Smart move. Israel is way too close for comfort!

 

[Erlik]

Although my nationalist side finds bunker construction appealing, my logical side considers bunker construction outside of major cities to be pointless.

It would be enough to build bunkers in Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir, Konya, and cities near important military bases and defense industry facilities. The cities I mentioned already host many military bases, and all of them have defense industry companies and production facilities. Most of the remaining cities simply have no military value.

Unless a total war is declared against NATO countries and a nuclear annihilation event is triggered, Türkiye will not be subjected to a nuclear strike. Even during the Cold War, the nuclear targets on Türkiye’s territory were precisely the cities and NATO bases I listed. Even if Israel were to attack, it would strike these cities and facilities. It wouldn’t hit irrelevant cities there’s no point.

And Pakistan also needs nuclear bunkers; at the very least, they should build them in major cities. Countries with nuclear capabilities are the ones truly at risk. Especially if your enemy also has nuclear capabilities, not building these bunkers would be foolish.

 

[hyperman]

any precedent for countries blinding the US spy satellite constellation? would need to know exactly which sats. not easy

Which satelite is not hard, they are all registered and tracked, so any above your orbit you know exactly when they will pass over.

With regards to precedence, the tech exists, its just that it hasn't been used b/c the people that have it(China and Russia), are not at war with the US, so have never deployed it.

Here is how these dazzlers look.

they are positioned on the ground and fire a lazer at the satelite, blinding it temporarily so its optical sensors can't pick stuff up.

 

[hyperman]

2)FEDERATION OF AMERICAN SCIENTIST...this non profit organization has posted about Pakistani nuclear facilities including indian,chinese and others....you can further search by going on their website...
3)dont mind but you can just simply search about it n youtube and videos will come(made by indians)

I don't know of any mountain facilities, I'm aware of the facilities that are in Punjab and around Islamabad.