Turkey to build bomb shelters across the country

[MH.Yang]

Delusional at best, naive at worst.

No one is going to go to war against Turkey for Israel's sake. NATO won't wholly fight for Israel against Turkey.

This is just bad logic, because it supposes that Israel is far more important to NATO than Turkey, and that Turkey will actively go against NATO interests in such a way that NATO would be forced to go to war.

If war breaks out between Turkey and Israel, NATO countries other than the United States will verbally support Turkey but covertly curry favor with and support Israel. They will offer no real support to Turkey. Some NATO countries, including the United States, France, and Greece, will directly support Israel.

For decades, it wasn't NATO that prevented Israel and the United States from attacking Turkey, but rather the presence of Iran and the Russian threat to the United States.

Now that the Iranian threat has been eliminated, and Russia will be weakened for a long time after the Ukrainian war, Turkey's usefulness to the United States and Israel is about to disappear.

 

[MMM-E]

If Israel uses nuclear weapons against Turkey, NATO will not help Turkey, and most NATO countries will even secretly help Israel. Do you really think NATO is more important to the United States than Israel? Do you really think other NATO countries will go to war with Israel and the United States over Turkey?

Israel can not use nuclear weapons against even Iran and you are talking about using nuclear weapons against Turkiye


Turkiye doesnt need NATO against Israel
only nuclear weapons from Pakistan will be enough for nuclear balance

and Israel needs USA to fight Turkiye
Israel is nothing without USA ... USA send Carrier Strike Groups to the Eastern Mediterranean and Persian Gulf when Israel attack GAZA or IRAN

also USA deployed extra hundreds of Fighter Jets in the Middle East Countries to protect Israel

 

[MMM-E]

Now that the Iranian threat has been eliminated, and Russia will be weakened for a long time after the Ukrainian war, Turkey's usefulness to the United States and Israel is about to disappear

TRUMP is living in his fantasy world with his buddy NETANYAHU

Iran is still a threat and can produce nuclear weapons
sooner or later

Russia won in Ukraine and This war was good for Russia to see its own shortcomings and to fix them.

Russia is back, and the Russian threat hasn't reached this high since the Cold War

Europe is in panic and TRUMP doesnt care about Europe

NATO needs Türkiye more than ever, and Türkiye's great defense industry , strategic location and man power also affects this.

 

[MMM-E]

Turks think their strategic location and Armed Forces are important to NATO. But once they get over certain lines,they become more of a burden that needs to be dealt with.

If Turks become a serious threat for Israel or a hindrance to NATO plans in the region,they will take action.

Greeks are living in their fantasy world
Nobody cares about useless Israel in NATO except slave USA

Even Canada . The UK , France , Spain and other NATO Countries says we will recognize Palestine

Canada follows France and UK with plan to recognise Palestinian state​

Canada follows France and UK with plan to recognise Palestinian state

Mark Carney says it depends on Palestinian democratic reforms, while Donald Trump says it could stymie a US-Canada trade deal.

www.bbc.com

Spain, Norway and Ireland recognise Palestinian state​

Gaza war: Spain, Ireland and Norway formally recognise Palestinian state

The three European nations aim to refocus attention on finding a political solution to the Gaza war.

www.bbc.com

Portugal 'considering' recognition of Palestinian state in September​

Client Challenge

www.lemonde.fr

 

[MMM-E]

Some NATO countries, including the United States, France, and Greece, will directly support Israel.

Then Turkiye will get its own Nuclear Weapons
USA will lose Turkiye to Russia-Iran-Pakistan-China-N.Korea pact
and USA will lose everywhere in the middle East , Caucasia , Eastern Mediterranean even in the Balkans

China-Russia-Iran will be so happy to be ally with Turkiye to kick American Forces out of Syria , Iraq and in the Eastern Mediterranean

Imagine , what about if Chinese-Russian Forces are in Turkish Incirlik Airbase instead of American Forces

 

[hyperman]

Turkey would be:

A. Pulverized by a majority NATO/EE countries and torn apart.
B. Undergo a forced regime change.
C. Heavy sanctions,war AND regime change.

Turks think their strategic location and Armed Forces are important to NATO. But once they get over certain lines,they become more of a burden that needs to be dealt with.

If Turks become a serious threat for Israel or a hindrance to NATO plans in the region,they will take action.

Wishful thinking on your part. No one from the EU is coming, trying to fight Turkey as an invading army, they would be thrown into the Sea just like their forefathers at Gallipoli.

 

[hyperman]

You forget that Jews basically control most NATO countries.

I promise you, if such a scenario ever comes, they are all getting nuked, before they make landfall in Anatolia. If the absurdity even even came close to coming true of all of the EU and whatever collectively attacking Turkey on Israel's behalf, the Turkish govt would by that time have an alternative arrangement outside of the NATO umbrella present, namely a weapons sharing agreement with Pakistan.

 

[MMM-E]

Wishful thinking on your part. No one from the EU is coming, trying to fight Turkey as an invading army, they would be thrown into the Sea just like their forefathers at Gallipoli.

The EU can not find man power to fight for even their own Countries
Only Poland and Turkiye can protect Europe against Russian invasion


Nobody will fight for useless Israel

Germany 18%
Italy 20%
The UK 27%
France 29%

 

[hyperman]

Greeks are living in their fantasy world
Nobody cares about useless Israel in NATO except slave USA

Even Canada . The UK , France , Spain and other NATO Countries says we will recognize Palestine

Canada follows France and UK with plan to recognise Palestinian state​

Canada follows France and UK with plan to recognise Palestinian state

Mark Carney says it depends on Palestinian democratic reforms, while Donald Trump says it could stymie a US-Canada trade deal.

www.bbc.com

Spain, Norway and Ireland recognise Palestinian state​

Gaza war: Spain, Ireland and Norway formally recognise Palestinian state

The three European nations aim to refocus attention on finding a political solution to the Gaza war.

www.bbc.com

Portugal 'considering' recognition of Palestinian state in September​

Client Challenge

www.lemonde.fr

He likes to live in a fantasy where the Israelis, the US and Europe all come together to attack Turkey and magically make Greece's dream come true, but that scenario is far less likely than the scenario of all of them looking the other way while Greece gets mauled, just like they looked the other way in 1974, when Turkey intervened in Cyprus.

 

[hyperman]

The EU can not find man power to fight for even their own Countries
Only Poland and Turkiye can protect Europe against Russian invasion


Nobody will fight for useless Israel

Germany 18%
Italy 20%
The UK 27%
France 29%
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18% thats some funny $hit from Germany. lol, and he think they are going to come fight for Greece, when they aren't even willing to fight, let alone die for Germany.

 

[Anatolia]

If war breaks out between Turkey and Israel, NATO countries other than the United States will verbally support Turkey but covertly curry favor with and support Israel. They will offer no real support to Turkey. Some NATO countries, including the United States, France, and Greece, will directly support Israel.

For decades, it wasn't NATO that prevented Israel and the United States from attacking Turkey, but rather the presence of Iran and the Russian threat to the United States.

Now that the Iranian threat has been eliminated, and Russia will be weakened for a long time after the Ukrainian war, Turkey's usefulness to the United States and Israel is about to disappear.

Explain, how and why would historical enemies of Turks the Russians and Iranians would want to stop Turks being attacked. Please try making sense before you waste our time reading your nonsense

 

[hyperman]

Explain, how and why would historical enemies of Turks the Russians and Iranians would want to stop Turks being attacked. Please try making sense before you waste our time reading your nonsense

because geopolitics is dynamic and shifts with the realignments. Iran and Russia are historical enemies, but with the shift of the Anglo American empire, we was past adversaries working together.

Russia carved of Manchuria and too the Far East from China historically and they were enemies, yet today they cooperate against the West.

For some reason you don't see the flaws in your own logic even with clear examples in China's own experience.

 

[MH.Yang]

Explain, how and why would historical enemies of Turks the Russians and Iranians would want to stop Turks being attacked. Please try making sense before you waste our time reading your nonsense

I'll teach you three Chinese idioms:

1, “兔死狗烹” which means when the rabbits are dead, it's the hounds' turn to go into the steamer.

2, “鸟尽弓藏” which means when the birds have been hunted out, the bow and arrows won't be taken up for use.

3, "养贼自重" which means that some ancient officers would not clear out all the bandits in their district to avoid being disarmed themselves.

If you can't understand what Iran and Russia are doing to Turkey, I suggest you take an IQ test.

 

[Anatolia]

because geopolitics is dynamic and shifts with the realignments. Iran and Russia are historical enemies

Go take a stroll in Tehran's streets and ask if any of them see Russia as an enemy.. and do the same in Moscow. That would answer that quickly for you.
Not the same if you asked if they see Turks as enemy or not, lets not pretend so you can win an argument online.

In short. Russia v Iran rivalry/hatred or whatever is not comparable with Turkish one. it just isnt.

but with the shift of the Anglo American empire, we was past adversaries working together.

Russia have their own little Empire so naturally will clash with US , and Iran want to revive their little Persian empire so they clash with Israel(or US if you want to call it that) . they align for obvious reasons. Not sure the point you're trying to make . How does any of this make them want to help Turkiye?

Russia carved of Manchuria and too the Far East from China historically and they were enemies

I already answered this above.

 

[Anatolia]

If you can't understand what Iran and Russia are doing to Turkey, I suggest you take an IQ test.

No, i cannot understand. explain. how and what are Russia and Iran doing for Turkiye? Like explain why they'd care .. especially since we've not long ago had disagreements over Syria and Assad.
IQ test is not helping