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[MMM-E]

PAF JC-10c shot down Qatars latest Typhoon fighters in a mock exercises 9/0 recently

Was it the ability of Pilots or machine superiority ?

Qatari Pilots can not match with Pakistani Pilots

In dogfight ( where EW Suite and Radar don’t matter as much )
They could even shoot down an F-35 in dog fight

 

[MMM-E]

In the age of BVR JC-10c PL15/PL16 have the edge. Typhoon is equipped with Meteorite missile the ones Indian IAF were carrying when they went down too PAF.

Indian Pilots dont know how to fight
Turkish Air Force trained Pakistani Pilots for BVR combat and for EW capabilities in Konya - TURKIYE for years in high capacity NATO standard

Indian Pilots thought Pakistan had PL-15E export version with range of 145 km

Pakistani J-10C downed Indian RAFALE at a staggering distance of 180+ km


Eurofighter will be MONSTER in the hands of the Turkish Air Force ... Thanks to

-- 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs
-- 4 ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft
-- 200 km METEOR air to air Missile
-- and skilled Turkish Pilots

 

[KingQamaR]

Was it the ability of Pilots or machine superiority ?

Qatari Pilots can not match with Pakistani Pilots

In dogfight ( where EW Suite and Radar don’t matter as much )
They could even shoot down an F-35 in dog fight

It’s important, what is omitted is the rules of engagement per aircraft which is important.


During exercises you create real life combat scenarios as they are real.

 

[KingQamaR]

Indian Pilots dont know how to fight
Turkish Air Force trained Pakistani Pilots for BVR combat and for EW capabilities in Konya - TURKIYE for years in high capacity NATO standard

Indian Pilots thought Pakistan had PL-15E export version with range of 145 km

Pakistani J-10C downed Indian RAFALE at a staggering distance of 180+ km


Eurofighter will be MONSTER in the hands of the Turkish Air Force ... Thanks to

-- 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs
-- 4 ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft
-- 200 km METEOR air to air Missile
-- and skilled Turkish Pilots

Qatar must have terrible pilots : I believe Qatar mostly fields ex Nato pilots … it’s the strategy brother that counts in war… not the power alone. How u mix different weapons for offence and defensive is the difference between Victory and defeat ..
Just looking at some flight flying…can’t determine who is the winner…

 

[hyperman]

Turkish F-35s.

 

[Oublious]

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Turkish F-35s.

yeaah back in the time...

 

[Foinikas]

believe Qatar mostly fields ex Nato pilots … it’s the strategy brother that counts in war… not the power alone. How u mix different weapons for offence and defensive is the difference between Victory and defeat ..
Just looking at some flight flying…can’t determine who is the winner…

 

[wifi909]

PAF JC-10c shot down Qatars latest Typhoon fighters in a mock exercises 9/0 recently. Same argument was said about french Rafale jet fighter best 4.5 Gen on current market. I won’t deny, Typhoon jet is an Air-Superiority fighter vs Rafale a multi role aircraft. In the age of BVR JC-10c PL15/PL16 have the edge. Typhoon is equipped with Meteorite missile the ones Indian IAF were carrying when they went down too PAF.

The Qatar Air Force's T3A Typhoon fighters are equipped with the ECRS MK0 radar, which is just as bad as the Rafale's radar. And although there are no authoritative reports on the exact outcome of the military exercise at present, I wouldn't be surprised if that Typhoon was completely defeated by the J-10C in the BVR air combat.

The KLJ-10 radar of the J-10C is comparable to the MK1, both far better than MK0. While The MK2 radar of the Typhoon T4 will will catch up with the APG-81. Though it is not so pleasing that it will only reach the level of the US 15 years ago or China 5 years ago in 3 years.

Moreover, the Typhoon is not merely an air superiority fighter. It is an air superiority fighter with quite strong multirole capabilities

 

[MH.Yang]

Its not expensive ... We are buying the best Fighter in Europe with huge missile , munition , engine and spare parts storage





EJ-200 has lbf of 20,200 with afterburner
2 x EJ-200 engines : 40.400 lbf

KAAN using 2 x F-110 Engines ( each 29,000 lbf with afterburner )
total of 58.000 lbf

KAAN needs 3 x EJ-200 engines for its current performance

KAAN with domestic engine
2 x TF-35.000 engines : total of 70.000 lbf





Problem is not Platform
Turkiye has developed KAAN which is better than all 4,5 gen Fighters
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Problem is time to develop 35.000 lbf next gen Turbofan Engine
Turkiye needs min 7 years to produce KAAN with domestic Engine

We can not wait for 7 years without new Fighter Jets
Countries in the region bought RAFALE , SU-35 , F-15EX

I agree that EF-2000 is a very good fighter jet, but a price tag of 400 million pounds is clearly expensive, even if it comes with a lot of services.

Secondly, you seriously underestimate the difficulty of developing high-thrust engines.

France once researched high thrust engines for the Phantom 4000 and Nord+1500+Griffon, while projects for high thrust engines from industrial and technological powerhouses such as the UK's Gyron, Japan's XF9-1, and South Korea's KF-X all failed. Why do you believe that Türkiye will succeed in a short time?

 

[hyperman]

I agree that EF-2000 is a very good fighter jet, but a price tag of 400 million pounds is clearly expensive, even if it comes with a lot of services.

Secondly, you seriously underestimate the difficulty of developing high-thrust engines.

France once researched high thrust engines for the Phantom 4000 and Nord+1500+Griffon, while projects for high thrust engines from industrial and technological powerhouses such as the UK's Gyron, Japan's XF9-1, and South Korea's KF-X all failed. Why do you believe that Türkiye will succeed in a short time?

Turkey has been license building GE F110s in Turkey as well as other GE engine components. Turkey's trajectory is similar to Japan's on this matter, thought japan is further ahead, but they also got their start license building the F110s for the the F-16, and building parts for GE engines.

 

[MH.Yang]

Turkey has been license building GE F110s in Turkey as well as other GE engine components. Turkey's trajectory is similar to Japan's on this matter, thought japan is further ahead, but they also got their start license building the F110s for the the F-16, and building parts for GE engines.

In September this year, the US Congress officially rejected the permission of Turkey to produce F110, and banned the export of F110 to Turkey.

 

[Anatolian]

The big difference is that Greece does not have a casus belli against Turkey.

Greece is not threatening Turkey and Greece's doctrine is purely defensive,as opposed to Turkey's expansionist doctrine and policies of the last 10 or so years. Turkey is the one with imperial ambitions: bases in Africa and countries of the Middle-East,Turkey is the country with an aircraft carrier,with plans to build a second even bigger one,the country which has adopted a revisionist geopolitical doctrine(Mavi Vatan).

That is the difference. It's Turkey's government and head of State who have quite openly threatened various countries with war and interventions the last few years: Syria,Israel,
Egypt,Armenia,Greece,Cyprus,maybe even Iran at some point.

Nonsense, every country on earth can pull a casus belli out of their arze whenever they wish. Countries dont need to threaten one another to still have disputes, so the idea of Greece somehow being a victim is complete bogus. It partakes in the same max-demands grand standing as any other country, wanting to extent EEZ, Air space, Territorial water, militarizing islands that are ment to be demilitarized, trying to overthow goverment in Cyprus and annex it and etc.

Your doctrine is purely defensive because you are forced to, not because of some benevolant altruistic reasons. Had you the resources, you would have been even more aggresive and rabid then Turkey ever was, your invasion of Turkey and the Megali idea are proof of that. Once you sense weakness and oppurtunity, you will pounce. Dont expect us to act any different then any other countries would, that includes you.

 

[MMM-E]

The Qatar Air Force's T3A Typhoon fighters are equipped with the ECRS MK0 radar, which is just as bad as the Rafale's radar. And although there are no authoritative reports on the exact outcome of the military exercise at present, I wouldn't be surprised if that Typhoon was completely defeated by the J-10C in the BVR air combat.

ECRS MK0 AESA Radar is better than RAFALE's RBE2-AA AESA Radar and F-16V's APG-83 AESA Radar

and Turkiye is not Qatar

Turkish Air Force has 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs to detect J-10C from 300-350 km away and can guide 200 km METEOR air to air Missile


Also Turkiye is one of top Countries in the World for Electronic Warfare technologies

1 -- KORAL-200 Radar Electronic Warfare System to jam enemy Radars from 200+ km away

Turkiye : KORAL-200
Russia : KRASUKHA-4
Israel : SCORPIUS


2 -- 4 ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft on the way to jam enemy Radars from 400 km away

Turkiye : ASOJ-23A
Israel : SEMA
Russia : PORUBSHCHIK-2


Only Israel can compete with Turkiye in the region.
Countries like Iran , Greece , Egypt , Qatar , S.Arabia lack high technologies including Radar Electronic Warfare Systems


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Also Turkish Air Force has integrated early warning Radars to detect enemy Fighter Jets for network centric warfare

-- 450 km AN/FPS-117 AESA Radar ( L band )
-- 470 km Selex RAT-31DL 3D ( L band )
-- 600 km AESA Radar on E-7T AEWC ( L band )
450+ km Turkish ALP-300G ( S band ) to detect even F-35 from 120+ km away



so , With the purchasing of Eurofighters, enemy Fighter Jets will risk being shot down if they come within 200 km of Turkish airspace.

 

[MMM-E]

The real question that needs to be asked is, "From how many km away can 4,5 gen Fighter Jets detect the KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet ?



KIZILELMA is coming with RCS of 0.3 m2
F-16V , RAFALE , J-10C , F-15EX , SU-35 have far bigger RCS than KIZILELMA

F-16V , RAFALE , J-10C can detect the KIZILELMA from 60-100 km away

They will be shot down .. Enemy Pilots even will not see KIZILELMA on their Radars


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in a few years , KIZILELMA will able to carry 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air missiles in internal weapon bays for stealth flight capability

E-7T AEWC , KIZILELMA and GOKBORA air to air missile will be deadly combination to shoot down 4,5 gen Fighter Jets


A first in the world: Unmanned stealth Fighter Jet took off with AESA Radar
Moments when the domestic AESA Radar integrated into KIZILELMA scans the area within a range of 230 km


Counties like Israel , Japan , S.Korea , India , France , Italy lack this technology

USA , Turkiye , China leads these technologies in the World

 

[hyperman]

In September this year, the US Congress officially rejected the permission of Turkey to produce F110, and banned the export of F110 to Turkey.

no, this news is incorrect. The request hasn't even been placed yet. They did also deliver the F110s for the prototypes.