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[Foinikas]

36 S400 Air Defense Launchers with 144-192 Missiles vs 24 RAFALEs

Where is Greek air superiority ? with only 24 RAFALEs ?

Also Türkiye has added its 5th SIPER air defense Battery to its inventory.
and ASELSAN will deliver over 100 Air Defense Systems this year

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The era of freely flying in the Aegean like in the 1990s - 2000s is over
Turkiye had nothing in 1990s-2000s-2010s but today is different

If Türkiye deploys these S400 and SIPER Air Defense Systems in Izmir, Balıkesir, Canakkale, and Muğla, RAFALE Jets will become targets when the moment they cross the 25th meridian in the Aegean
View attachment 177165
40N6E Missile = speed of mach 3,5 and range of 380 km ( against AWACS )
48N6E3 Missile = speed of mach 5,9 and range of 240 km ( against RAFALEs )
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Oh no,nobody can defeat superpower Turkiye. Time to surrender the country.

 

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Oh no,nobody can defeat superpower Turkiye. Time to surrender the country.

As always no any technical detail ... just trolling

Where is Greek air superiority ? with 36 METEOR Missiles ?

TURAF has 235 F-16s and Greece has only 36 METEOR Missiles for 24 RAFALEs


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Souce : A 2023 report from Key.Aero (a defense aviation publication) referenced Greece procuring 36 METEOR air-to-air missiles specifically for its RAFALEs

Quantity: Turkiye's larger fleet could still overwhelm in a prolonged conflict through attrition or saturation.

 

[Foinikas]

with 36 METEOR Missiles ?

you are superpower,sir nobody can defeat you.

 

[Ali_Baba]

36 S400 Air Defense Launchers with 144-192 Missiles vs 24 RAFALEs

Where is Greek air superiority ? with only 24 RAFALEs ?

Dude. The S400 (as have previous generations ) proven to be not very effective as an IADS platform. Pakistan took out 2 x S400 Cheese board radars, rendering two sites ineffective. I wouldn't put much faith in the "actual field" performance of that platform specifically. Just look at how poorly it has performed in the Ukrainian/Russian war too.

 

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Dude. The S400 (as have previous generations ) proven to be not very effective as an IADS platform. Pakistan took out 2 x S400 Cheese board radars, rendering two sites ineffective.

Then , RAFALE also proven to be not very effective
Pakistan shot down 4 RAFALE Jets

Daydreamer Greeks as like Indians
What a small Country with big dreams ( 24 RAFALE with 36 METEOR Missiles to defeat the Turkish Armed Forces )

 

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KIZILELMA + S400 + SIPER + KORAL-200 can block RAFALEs over the Aegean

They can not even cross the 25th meridian in a conflict

also soon , F-16 OZGUR-2 and ANKA-3 with 200km GOKHAN-GOKBORA air to air Missiles + Eurofighters with 200 km METEOR Missiles + 4 ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft and 4 E-7T AEWCs will join the game

We will see who has the real power ... also quality and quantity

 

[Foinikas]

Daydreamer Greeks as like Indians
What a small Country with big dreams ( 24 RAFALE with 36 METEOR Missiles to defeat the Turkish Armed Forces )

Wrong again.

In fact,if you are going to draw parallels and mention India,it's the other way around.

Greece is like Pakistan and Turkey is like India.
Smaller country with a smaller population vs a bigger country with a bigger population
Smaller GDP vs Bigger GDP
Less indigenous defence projects and industry vs more and bigger ones
Turkey and India have a culture of a propaganda machine and systematic lies
Turkey just like India tries to get involved in various alliances here and there
HAF pilots are better than Turkish ones,just like PAF are better than Indian ones
Air Force quality vs quantity on behalf of Greece/Pakistan vs Turkey/India
Greece/Pakistan remain stable geopolitically,while Turkey/India have backstabbed Russia,USA and other allies numerous times going back and forth

So...no. Turkey is actually more like India.

 

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Turkey and India have a culture of a propaganda machine and systematic lies
Turkey just like India tries to get involved in various alliances here and there

Turks dont need any propaganda
Turkiye has over $10 billion of arms export .. with great defense Industry and technology which is better than India+Greece combined

only KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets will be enough for your RAFALEs + SU-30MKIs + F-16Vs Jets of India and Greece combined in BVR combat


Greeks are like Indians ,, lacks power but big dreams

Indians = We have RAFALEs for air superiority
RESULT : Pakistan gave a lesson to daydreamer Indians

Greeks = We have RAFALES for air superiorty
Dont worry , in a conflict everybody will see what will happen


btw not Hellenic Air Force but Turkish Air Force trained Pakistan Air Force in Konya/TURKIYE for BVR combat and EW capabilities and Air Defense Systems including S-300s

 

[hyperman]

Dude. The S400 (as have previous generations ) proven to be not very effective as an IADS platform. Pakistan took out 2 x S400 Cheese board radars, rendering two sites ineffective. I wouldn't put much faith in the "actual field" performance of that platform specifically. Just look at how poorly it has performed in the Ukrainian/Russian war too.

No air defense in impervious first and foremost, so does that mean air defense is useless or ineffective? no.

The S-400 is one of the most capable air defense systems in the world. Does anyone say anything about THAAD or Patriot batteries or HQ-9s or SAMP or IRIS-T or Arrow or David's Sling?

Anyone who says the S-400 is ineffective should cite what air defense system they think is "effective", then detail why one is effective and not the other and explain capabilities. Its silly to say the S-400 is ineffective.

The criterion for Air Defense is more than, oh look, something got through, or oh look someone took out a site, the battle is a bit more complex than that.

 

[Ak01]

Pakistan Air Force in Konya/TURKIYE for BVR combat and EW capabilities

in what world?

 

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in what world?

in real world

Konya/TURKIYE hosts Anatolian Eagle exercice which is similar to Red Flag in USA

and Electronic Warfare Test and Training Area (EHTES) which is one of a few in the world ( with S-300 , TOR , BUK AD Systems and Electronic Warfare Systems )

Also Konya Air Base hosts Boeing E-7T AEWC for network centric warfare and BVR combat training during Anatolian Eagle exercice


Many Pilots and Jets from Pakistan receives training that closely resembles real combat conditions

BVR Combat
Air to Ground attack
SEAD / DEAD role
Developing and Improving techniques, tactics, and maneuvers


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The EHTES System, developed by HAVELSAN has successfully been exported to South Korea and Pakistan.

 

[Foinikas]

Turks dont need any propaganda
Turkiye has over $10 billion of arms export .. with great defense Industry and technology which is better than India+Greece combined

only KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets will be enough for your RAFALEs + SU-30MKIs + F-16Vs Jets of India and Greece combined in BVR combat


Greeks are like Indians ,, lacks power but big dreams

Indians = We have RAFALEs for air superiority
RESULT : Pakistan gave a lesson to daydreamer Indians

Greeks = We have RAFALES for air superiorty
Dont worry , in a conflict everybody will see what will happen


btw not Hellenic Air Force but Turkish Air Force trained Pakistan Air Force in Konya/TURKIYE for BVR combat and EW capabilities and Air Defense Systems including S-300s

Dude,how old are you?

 

[Foinikas]

in real world

Konya/TURKIYE hosts Anatolian Eagle exercice which is similar to Red Flag in USA

and Electronic Warfare Test and Training Area (EHTES) which is one of a few in the world ( with S-300 , TOR , BUK AD Systems and Electronic Warfare Systems )

Many Pilots and Jets from Pakistan receives training that closely resembles real combat conditions

BVR Combat
Air to Ground attack
SEAD / DEAD role

Turkey trained Pakistanis in '65? In '71? In '99?

 

[Ali_Baba]

No air defense in impervious first and foremost, so does that mean air defense is useless or ineffective? no.

The S-400 is one of the most capable air defense systems in the world. Does anyone say anything about THAAD or Patriot batteries or HQ-9s or SAMP or IRIS-T or Arrow or David's Sling?

Anyone who says the S-400 is ineffective should cite what air defense system they think is "effective", then detail why one is effective and not the other and explain capabilities. Its silly to say the S-400 is ineffective.

The criterion for Air Defense is more than, oh look, something got through, or oh look someone took out a site, the battle is a bit more complex than that.

I think it is silly continue to propagate the theory that Russian IAD systems like the S300/S400 are effective, where in every theatre of military conflict they have been involved in recently like Iran, India, Ukraine, they have been proven to be ineffective.

THAAD, Patriot, IRIS-T, Arrow all can point effective utilisation in combat. Where is the combat record of the S300/400? It list of victories? It has had enough opportunity to establish a record, but that list of valour is lacking. HQ-9 right now is an unknown as it has not seen any extensive combat use, that is all that can be said about this system right now.

Appreciate, Türkiye may feel the need to talk up a system that they invested so much in both financially and politically, and therefore the sensitivity around the issue, but the combat record of Russian IADS systems doesn't really stand up to well to scrutiny.

 

[Foinikas]

I think it is silly continue to propagate the theory that Russian IAD systems like the S300/S400 are effective, where in every theatre of military conflict recently like Iran, India, Ukraine, they have proven to be ineffective.

THAAD, Patriot, IRIS-T, Arrow all can point effective utilisation in combat. Where is the combat record of the S300/400? It list of victories? It has had enough opportunity to establish a record, but that list of valour is lacking. HQ-9 right now is an unknown, that is all that can be said about this system.

Appreciate, Türkiye may feel the need to talk up a system that they invested so much both financially and politically for and therefore the sensitivity around the issue, but the combat record of Russian IADS systems doesn't really stand up to well to scrutiny.

Some 10 years ago or more,I thought the S-400 was one of the best AA systems in the world. The Russians used to present it as the ultimate AA system,I thought the hype was real. It had to be. S-300PMU2 was already considered very good.

Then Russian reluctance to use it in Syria had me thinking,why did they bring that super weapon and not even dare to shoot anything down? Israelis were going in and out of Syria whenever they wanted. Turks were going in.

Then the war in Ukraine started. S-300s were found more and more frequently less effective. Where was the superweapon S-400? Why were the Ukrainian cruise and other big missiles hitting so often? Why were entire ships being lost? Bridges hit,bases attacked,factories destroyed.

It was all just hype. A good system probably,but not the ultimate super AA system Russian propaganda presented it as. So many Russian weapons were just hype.

For example,I remember back in the mid-2000s we were discussing about 450 BMP-3s from Russia. I was excited. Finally a modern IFV for Greece. And a Russian one! With a 100mm gun,30mm autocannon and 3 7,62mm MGs. What a machine! The Cypriots already had 43 of them. Now, I'm glad we never got them.