Turkish Foreign Policy and Regional Geopolitics

[hyperman]

Orthodox brother Putin was offering S-400s to Turkey way earlier. Then when Turkey got them,Pskov was saying "It's a defensive system,there's no need for Greece to be concerned". Doing nothing about Hagia-Sophia,offering to build two nuclear stations in Turkey,oh no,it was brother Putin who betrayed us.

What the heck does the Hagia Sofia have to do with anything in terms of state relations between Greece and Russia. lol

And Electrical powerplants really?

The only thing thats somewhat relevant is the S-400 but they sold greece S-300. Greece sent weapons that are killing russians in Ukraine.

Turkey hasn't done anything? Threatening with war if Cyprus drilled inside Cypriot government fields? Starting a fuss about the electric power cables?

Cyprus is drilling in Turkish and Northern Cyprus fields. You understand what disputed means?

 

[hyperman]

Yes,our foreign policy is almost non-existant and it's as if the ND government gave up trying to fix the country after the 2023 victory,everything is going down(internally too)and people are frustrated about it.

Vote for Zoe Konstantopoulou. lol

They couldn't do otherwise,they couldn't.

They could, they lied to you. The reason they didn't is b/c it would anger the UK as Turkey said it won't buy without Meteors, and if Turkey doesn't buy, no new orders for Eurofighters, meaning the production line stops, which means atrophy and loss of skilled workers between the gap when the Eurofighter and when the GCAP is ready.

Backin Assad's Syria was in our favor. But the governments here,wanted to be "on the good side of history",meaning far away from Russia,Iran and controversial figures such as Assad,all this to please the EU and the Americans.

That wasn't it, from the Turkish perspective it would have been more favorable if Greece backed Assad, it would have isolated greece from the rest of the western outlook and looked more favorably for Turkey.

I do,that's why everyone in Greek defence sites is frustrated and makes fun of the situation.

This is disrespectful to Gerapetritis, that was just an ackward clip from a video with the wrong frame. Gerapetritis has been respectful and not boisterous like Dendias and actually tried to be diplomatic and not try to cause uproar with statements.

 

[Foinikas]

What the heck does the Hagia Sofia have to do with anything in terms of state relations between Greece and Russia. lol

Because Russia is the largest Orthodox country and supposedly the protector of Eastern Orthodox,it goes back centuries,come on,you know that,back from the Ottoman times,guarantor of the Orthodox people in the Balkans blah blah blah. Putin's reaction was extremely weak.

And Electrical powerplants really?

Isn't that how Iran started and almost reached nuclear weapon capacity?

Besides

"Some countries have missiles with nuclear warheads, not one or two. But (they tell us) we can't have them. This, I cannot accept," he told his ruling AK Party members in the eastern city of Sivas.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/erdogan-says-its-unacceptable-that-turkey-cant-have-nuclear-weapons-idUSKCN1VP2Q8/

The only thing thats somewhat relevant is the S-400 but they sold greece S-300. Greece sent weapons that are killing russians in Ukraine.

No,you're making a mistake again. The S-300s were purchased by Cyprus. But then Turkey threatened with open war and Greece,Cyprus,Russia,USA and Turkey found a compromise to avoid tensions and Greece bought the S-300PMU1 and installed them in Crete. And Cyprus bought Tor-M1 and Buk-M1-2 instead.

So it was basically Turkey's fault that Greece ended up with S-300s,if you think about it.

Cyprus is drilling in Turkish and Northern Cyprus fields. You understand what disputed means?

Turkey ^ north TRCN ^> Northheast



Republic of Cyprus EEZ fields



It's on the complete opposite way of both Turkey and TRNC.

Vote for Zoe Konstantopoulou. lol

Too populist,too leftist.

They could, they lied to you. The reason they didn't is b/c it would anger the UK as Turkey said it won't buy without Meteors, and if Turkey doesn't buy, no new orders for Eurofighters, meaning the production line stops, which means atrophy and loss of skilled workers between the gap when the Eurofighter and when the GCAP is ready.

That's why I said they probably had too much pressure from Britain and maybe Gemany too.

This is disrespectful to Gerapetritis, that was just an ackward clip from a video with the wrong frame. Gerapetritis has been respectful and not boisterous like Dendias and actually tried to be diplomatic and not try to cause uproar with statements.

It's a submissive gesture and you're the only one loving Gerapetritis,because he's too conforming,too submissive,too low-volume. I get it,it's good for your own foreign policy. But don't give me bull "oh Dendias was bad,Gerapetritis is so nice,he doesn't talk back,he doesn't do anything". No wonder people call him "Rayapetritis" now.

 

[hyperman]

Because Russia is the largest Orthodox country and supposedly the protector of Eastern Orthodox,it goes back centuries,come on,you know that,back from the Ottoman times,guarantor of the Orthodox people in the Balkans blah blah blah. Putin's reaction was extremely weak.

That place hasn't been a church in 500 years. Why would Putin comment on the domestic affairs of a foreign country? No other country commented b/c no other country has beef with Turkey like Greece, your president only commented for domestic audience reasons. Nothing in the building changed btw, they removed the fee for entry(but unfortunately brought it back), you have to take shoes off and you can only enter if you are covered up, no miniskirts, something Ironically noted by a Greek Priest.

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Isn't that how Iran started and almost reached nuclear weapon capacity?

Thats b/c Iran has Uranium enrichment, there is no enrichment facility in Turkey. Maybe later down the road, Turkey builds its own nuclear reactors and then after that it can build its own enrichment facility for fuel for the reactors. But that has nothing to do with Russia.

It's a submissive gesture and you're the only one loving Gerapetritis,because he's too conforming,too submissive,too low-volume. I get it,it's good for your own foreign policy. But don't give me bull "oh Dendias was bad,Gerapetritis is so nice,he doesn't talk back,he doesn't do anything".

The New Democracy policy is the same as its decided by the leader, not ministers. Dendias talks shit and bad mouths Turkey, Gerapetritis is respectful and even if you disagree with the man, people respect him, they don't respect Dendias, b/c of his behavior. At this point people don't even get angry with Dendias, they think he is a joke, a dog who keeps barking but all the moves backfiring. They did all this drama over Meteors, and it had zero effect, the the barking at Italy over Piaggio, and if anything the European have now become annoyed with Greece, b/c Greece has nothing to offer, only demands, and their demands cuts into the business between them and the Turks.

 

[Foinikas]

No other country commented b/c no other country has beef with Turkey like Greece, your president only commented for domestic audience reasons.

The clergy and Churches of other Orthodox countries protested,but who listens when governments are mostly ZOG and don't care. Anyway,I don't expect you to understand it.

Dendias talks shit and bad mouths Turkey, Gerapetritis is respectful and even if you disagree with the man, people respect him, they don't respect Dendias, b/c of his behavior.

A thousand times I will tell you,a thousand times you will not get it. Dendias would only reply to Turkish politicians' provocations. He would not leave any warmonger narrative unanswered. Akar would say something,Dendias would reply. Cavusoglu would say something provocative,Dendias would give him a reply on twitter(not directly). I might despise Dendias as a MoD,but he wasn't bad as a Minister of Foreign Affairs. You only like Gerapetritis,because he's a docile,slow,low-volume guy. For you it's a blessing,for us it's bad.

 

[Echelon1]

Turkey's the biggest bully in the region,after Israel.

Are Greek Cypriots starving to death? I didn't know.

 

[hyperman]

The clergy and Churches of other Orthodox countries protested,but who listens when governments are mostly ZOG and don't care. Anyway,I don't expect you to understand it.

So Greece is "less ZOG" than Russia? lol

A thousand times I will tell you,a thousand times you will not get it. Dendias would only reply to Turkish politicians' provocations. He would not leave any warmonger narrative unanswered. Akar would say something,Dendias would reply. Cavusoglu would say something provocative,Dendias would give him a reply on twitter(not directly). I might despise Dendias as a MoD,but he wasn't bad as a Minister of Foreign Affairs. You only like Gerapetritis,because he's a docile,slow,low-volume guy. For you it's a blessing,for us it's bad.

No that not it, Dendias isn't "responding" when he randomly goes to Europe or US forums and out of the blue starts talking $hit about Turkey, and fearmongering and even using Islamophobia in a "clash of civilizations" way to try to get support against Turkey. Same way Israel does.

And he throws hissy fits about other european countries and their good relations with Turkey, like Italy and Spain or the Balkan countries.

You see it as "strength", Turkey see it as an an annoyance, and one that has no real effect, they just ignore the fool and do business with turkey anyways, and he looks foolish in the end, but it still generates bad blood when someone talks smack, even if no effect. Whereas Gerapetritis he has dialogue and doesn't fan flames and we agree ok we don't agree, but the talk and dialogue is normal and respectful.

 

[Foinikas]

So Greece is "less ZOG" than Russia? lol

Stop loling in every post,it's annoying. No,I didn't say that. I was talking about other Orthodox countries in the Balkans.

No that not it, Dendias isn't "responding" when he randomly goes to Europe or US forums and out of the blue starts talking $hit about Turkey, and fearmongering and even using Islamophobia in a "clash of civilizations" way to try to get support against Turkey. Same way Israel does.

But you are threatening us. What do you want him to do,go to the West and say Turkey is an example of democracy,we have no problems etc? We reached a point were people like Bahceli going around saying "We will take the Dodecanese" and nobody in the Turkish parliament says a thing. We have Erdogan's government officially trying to dictate what we'll do in our islands,they used to say it's provocative for Greek MPs to visit our own islands. And yet you don't find anything bad in all that,the problem is Dendias? Come on...

And he throws hissy fits about other european countries and their good relations with Turkey, like Italy and Spain or the Balkan countries.

One on hand,he did make some dumb moves,like when he rushed to go to Tripoli only to get rejected,he rushed to call the Ambassador of France and talk about the Meteor as if he was trying to scold them. All these were failed moves. Rushed moves.

On the other hand,supposed EU allies like Italy and Spain,being all friendly to Turkey to the point of providing arms deals and in effect promoting Turkey's plans in the region,at least as far as we are,that's bad. And supposedly Europe should have borders and a common foreign policy. It doesn't though.

You see it as "strength", Turkey see it as an an annoyance, and one that has no real effect, they just ignore the fool and do business with turkey anyways, and he looks foolish in the end, but it still generates bad blood when someone talks smack, even if no effect. Whereas Gerapetritis he has dialogue and doesn't fan flames and we agree ok we don't agree, but the talk and dialogue is normal and respectful.

Gerapetritis doesn't want dialogue,he's just nodding "yes,yes". I saw Gerapetritis on TV telling Haftar "Please,come to Athens!" ......what was that? Fidan walks in,hello how are you,we give you this,we give you that,we want this,we'll find a solution to that. End of the story.

Anyway,I'm off to eat. And remember:

 

[hyperman]

No,I didn't say that. I was talking about other Orthodox countries in the Balkans.

Is Serbia more ZOG than Greece? Itas just a silly point that unravels when Greece is ironically the most pro western aligned state. Only Orthodox country to pass a gay marriage bill. So no, unless you are saying Greece is more Orthodox than everyone else in the world and thats why it was throwing a fit over Hagia Sofia, it doesn't make sense. No the real reason is domestic politics and Greece's own antagonism with Turkey, that none of the other Orthodox states share.

But you are threatening us.

No one is doing anything, just saying, don't break the status quo that has existed for decades, and don't take unilateral action, otherwise Turkey will also take unilateral action to not allow Fiat Accompli, every move greece makes, there will be a sounter move made, and then we go up the escalation ladder, and your paranoia becomes reality by your own actions. its best to avoid that and keep the decades old status quo, don't disturb anything and no unilateral action and have diplomatic talks.

You are not going to out muscle Turkey by sitting on the Shoulders of France, EU, Germany, US, or Israel. And somehow Turkey will get scared and back down. Its a dangerous game, and when push comes to shove, they will leave you holding the bag.

And yet you don't find anything bad in all that,the problem is Dendias?

Dendias was your foreign minister, do you see me commenting on the lunacy we hear from Elliniki Lysi or the other lunatics?

And supposedly Europe should have borders and a common foreign policy. It doesn't though.

Oh it does, and other that Greece and Cyprus, no one cares, even France has moved on. most of the EU sees Turkey as someone they want to buy weapons from and as someone that is a bulwark against Russia(not that Turkey wants to be) but they see Turkey as an important piece in countering Russia. They see Turkey as a source of manufacturing and goods and trade and security partner for the delivering of Cental Asian oil and Gas and now with Syria, potentially Middle Eastern Oil and Gas. What does Greece provide? Oh tourism, thats nice. Other than that, just collecting EU money.

Gerapetritis doesn't want dialogue,he's just nodding "yes,yes".

What he nod yes to?

hello how are you,we give you this,we give you that,we want this

What did he give? its all in your head. lol

 

[Foinikas]

Is Serbia more ZOG than Greece? Itas just a silly point that unravels when Greece is ironically the most pro western aligned state. Only Orthodox country to pass a gay marriage bill. So no, unless you are saying Greece is more Orthodox than everyone else in the world and thats why it was throwing a fit over Hagia Sofia, it doesn't make sense. No the real reason is domestic politics and Greece's own antagonism with Turkey, that none of the other Orthodox states share.

I'm saying all are now fucking ZOG. Serbia,Romania,FYROM,maybe the Bulgarians too. In varying degrees,but Freemasonry is everywhere in governments.

You're not getting my original point. Russia should have made a bigger fuss about it,but they didn't. Hagia-Sophia is seen as an emblem of Orthodox history,especially by the Eastern Slavs and Balkan nations.

Dendias was your foreign minister, do you see me commenting on the lunacy we hear from Elliniki Lysi or the other lunatics?

The difference is they are not in power. Bahceli is Erdogan's parliamentary ally,isn't he?

Oh it does, and other that Greece and Cyprus, no one cares, even France has moved on.

France hasn't moved on. But France can't do everything on their own. Especially when they see Mitsotakis changing his mind and thinking he can rely on the Americans.

What he nod yes to?

It's a figure of speech.

What did he give? its all in your head. lol

RE MALAKA IT'S A FIGURE OF SPEECH...lol

Meaning Fidan goes in and has a presence,he goes straight to the point,they listen to him,he gets deals done.


So you didn't like my meme?

 

[hyperman]

Hagia-Sophia is seen as an emblem of Orthodox history,especially by the Eastern Slavs and Balkan nations.

You are acting like the building is destroyed or something or you aren't allowed to go see it. Its been 572 years man. lol

The difference is they are not in power. Bahceli is Erdogan's parliamentary ally,isn't he?

He is not a minister in govt. And especially not the foreign minister.

France hasn't moved on.

They have moved on, that wannabe napoleon won't be sailing ships anytime soon. Not saying he is friendly, but he isn't looking to pick a fight. Especially when he has bigger problems getting kicked out of Africa, and getting embarrassed elsewhere. And now so much is being expected of him on the Russia front, and the rest of the EU states are not in a mood and see Turkey as useful, So for now, he is staying out of fights with Turkiye, they can't afford this adventure with Turkey.

Meaning Fidan goes in and has a presence,he goes straight to the point,they listen to him,he gets deals done.

oh lol, I thought you meant Gerapetritis was taking order or doing whatever Fidan told him or something, I misunderstood. lol

 

[Foinikas]

You are acting like the building is destroyed or something or you aren't allowed to go see it. Its been 572 years man. lol

It's not that,it's Erdy's behavior.

He is not a minister in govt. And especially not the foreign minister.

But isn't Bahceli important for AKP to retain power?

They have moved on, that wannabe napoleon won't be sailing ships anytime soon.

Macron? Wannabe Napoleon? Not a chance. He didn't have such ambition anyway. The problem is Germans are cooperating with the British all of a sudden again after the whole BREXIT thing and France's position as the alternative powerhouse of Europe is failing.

oh lol, I thought you meant Gerapetritis was taking order or doing whatever Fidan told him or something, I misunderstood. lol

No,no. Fidan is a success story for Turkey.

 

[Foinikas]

Are Greek Cypriots starving to death? I didn't know.

What? What are you talking about?

 

[hyperman]

Macron? Wannabe Napoleon? Not a chance. He didn't have such ambition anyway.

oh he definitely is, but he is just not as capable and blunders and makes himself a fool. He wants to be center of attention but doesn't have the capacity to command power and respect/aura.

François Hollande on the other hand was a lot more reserved and relations with Turkey were amicable. This guys looks to pick fights and blunders. In Libya, in Syria, in Armenia/Azerbaijan stuff, in Africa getting kicked out, even in New Caladonia. Meloni clowning on him, and other leaders too.

 

[Foinikas]

François Hollande on the other hand was a lot more reserved and relations with Turkey were amicable. This guys looks to pick fights and blunders. In Libya, in Syria, in Armenia/Azerbaijan stuff, in Africa getting kicked out, even in New Caladonia. Meloni clowning on him, and other leaders too.

Oh come on,you make it sound like everyone wants to pick a fight with Turkey,when it's Erdogan trying to meddle everywhere.