Turkish Foreign Policy and Regional Geopolitics

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The West's view on the Turkish policies - domestic and international. It's like: Turkey is for Turkey....

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[GoatsMilk]

I don't think so. Why should Iran prefer the establishment of a route from the Gulf of Basra to Israel over an Iraq-Türkiye alternative?

There are many stakeholders in Iraq who want to see this project happening, some of them are even Iranian proxies.

The impression i get is that iran would rather create a shortcut iran/iraq/syria to the med sea and cut Turkiye out altogether.

Considering the level of Iranian meddling in Iraq, with the country top to bottom filed with shia factions who are hostile to anything sunni, not least Turkiye related, its kind of wishful thinking.

Wasnt it an iranian plan originally to put oil and gas pipelines via iraq, into syria reaching the east med and bypass Turkiye too?

 

[hyperman]

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Wow, this is a new low.

Turkey is not involved in this, but the Azeris def are.

French getting their own medicine. lol there guy stoked seperatism in Azerbaijan, now they are getting payback.

I hope the Kanak people can break this colonial chain of slavery the French are trying to impose on them.

 

[hyperman]

That trade route via Iraq considering the geopolitical situation between Turkiye and Iran looks unlikely. I sometimes wonder if its just a Turkish move to gain some kind of leverage concerning what's happening in other places.

The prospects are pretty good if the Daesh and PKK issue in Iraq is dealt with. I think think it interferes with Iran, as Iran would also like to use Turkey as a transport country towards europe if possible, if sanctions get removed in the future.

 

[hyperman]

I don't think so. Why should Iran prefer the establishment of a route from the Gulf of Basra to Israel over an Iraq-Türkiye alternative?

There are many stakeholders in Iraq who want to see this project happening, some of them are even Iranian proxies.

Exactly, Hakan Fidan met with the Hashd Al Shabbi people on the trip to Baghdad no doubt these things were discussed, as one of the reason fo removing the PKK is to facilitate the trade route and its safety and reliability as Iraq's export connection to Europe and Russia.

 

[hyperman]

The impression i get is that iran would rather create a shortcut iran/iraq/syria to the med sea and cut Turkiye out altogether.

Considering the level of Iranian meddling in Iraq, with the country top to bottom filed with shia factions who are hostile to anything sunni, not least Turkiye related, its kind of wishful thinking.

Wasnt it an iranian plan originally to put oil and gas pipelines via iraq, into syria reaching the east med and bypass Turkiye too?

Getting to the Mediterranean isn't enought, this Iraq Turkey route is a transport corridor to Europe, just getting goods from Iran to the Mediterranean you would have to put it back on a boat, not very efficient, compared to the rail route already existing between Iran and Turkey.

I don't think this route necessarily conflicts with Iran's interests, Turkey has no interests in interfering with Iran's route from Iran to Lebanon. Turkey's current interests in Iraq and Syria are mainly to dismantle the PKK, and facilitate Trade from Iraq to Turkey as well as potentially bring in Iraqi oil and Gas.

Iran would certainly prefer it go through Iraq rather than israel, i think.

 

[Mehmed Bey]

Unfortunately, Turkey got stuck with this people. The only thing is to pack the trains and return the tribesmen to fight tribal wars, build the huge wall. One day one story, one day another. Just keep the relationship with Scumbagistans to the minimum.
I am even thinking to write to British Government to reconolise these people.
What do you expect from these people?
Just now , Aliyev destabilised France, is there any comment " Wll done " here or anywhere else?????
Come on, at least some decent relationship with West brings something to Turkey.
There are so called islamic web pages with the huge followings that have crypto Armenians writing for them.
Free yourself from these people.
More connections more the rubbish is sticking to your coat tails.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Turkey is not involved in this, but the Azeris def are.

French getting their own medicine. lol there guy stoked seperatism in Azerbaijan, now they are getting payback.

I hope the Kanak people can break this colonial chain of slavery the French are trying to impose on them.

I have no doubts that Turkiye is playing some kind of role to free the colonies from French tyranny. It would not surprise me that Aliyev is on board too, he was always came across as far more astute politically then erdogan to me. He understands the position he's in and is wisely able to manage all of the various pressures surrounding his nation.

So i suspect that he's playing the game "well if france is going to undermine me and support my enemies against me" then like wise he will do the same. The big difference ofcourse is that France has far more to lose, Azerbaijan's position is quite strong comparatively to control of her lands.

But i also got to suspect that part of this narrative of the western media or french media talking about it, is for a few reasons. There is the element of the armenian lobby pushing the narrative that Azerbaijan/Turks are an enemy of the west in order to cultivate western support. While the other element is that its to show the whole EU that Turkiye is a collective enemy. I say this because the whole EU knows that France is an occupying colonial power, they are clearly all ok with it. No european pressure has ever been placed on her for it. Even when we had "black lives matter" no one in europe spoke about the fact that half of Africa is still under french slavery/occupation.

Its basically a message to the rest of europe saying, look if we dont deal with the Turks, they will deal with us instead.

 

[Foinikas]

is playing some kind of role to free the colonies from French tyranny.

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

 

[Foinikas]

I say this because the whole EU knows that France is an occupying colonial power, they are clearly all ok with it.

If you accuse the French of being an "occupying colonial power",then you have to accuse Britain and Spain for the same thing. Because France,doesn't have any "colonies" to occupy,they only have French Guyana(which is officially part of the French State and in the Eurozone)and their overseas territories which are various tiny islands here and there. Guess what? The British have control of various tiny islands here and there,just like the French. From the Carribean,to the Atlantic,to the Pacific.

This narration of "evel France occupaying empire colonizers" is a stubborn biased view of the French by some Muslims on the forum,partly because of Algeria and partly because of the beef with Turkey.

It is amusing however,that you rarely go on rants against the British on the subject and ironically many of you who are heavily biased towards France,actually live in Britain.

 

[hyperman]

If you accuse the French of being an "occupying colonial power",then you have to accuse Britain and Spain for the same thing. Because France,doesn't have any "colonies" to occupy,they only have French Guyana(which is officially part of the French State and in the Eurozone)and their overseas territories which are various tiny islands here and there. Guess what? The British have control of various tiny islands here and there,just like the French. From the Carribean,to the Atlantic,to the Pacific.

This narration of "evel France occupaying empire colonizers" is a stubborn biased view of the French by some Muslims on the forum,partly because of Algeria and partly because of the beef with Turkey.

It is amusing however,that you rarely go on rants against the British on the subject and ironically many of you who are heavily biased towards France,actually live in Britain.

Actually no one is as unrepentant with regards to colonialism a the French are, The British have some sort of remorse, the French Chauvinism refuses to acknowledge the issue even exists.

I find it quite pathetic that some are willing to look the other way and even defend the French State in its actions abroad on an Island thousands of miles away from France, subjugating the native population and trying to do demographic manipulation to keep control over the island and the people there.

Britain has its own issues and people rightly criticize Britain for that, namely the issue with the Chagossians and Diego Garcia, but outside of that I'm not aware of the British doing what the French are doing.

Britain willingly gave up most of its colonies, the French have been desperate to keep as much as they can of their 19th-20th century plunder.

 

[MMM-E]

If you accuse the French of being an "occupying colonial power",then you have to accuse Britain and Spain for the same thing. Because France,doesn't have any "colonies" to occupy,they only have French Guyana(which is officially part of the French State and in the Eurozone)and their overseas territories which are various tiny islands here and there. Guess what?

What about 14 African Countries Forced by France to pay Colonial Tax for the benefits of Slavery and Colonization ?

Did you know many African countries continue to pay colonial tax to France since their independence till today

Benin
Burkina Faso
Guinea-Bissau
Ivory Coast
Mali
Niger
Senegal
Togo
Cameroon
Central African Republic
Chad
Congo-Brazzaville
Equatorial Guinea
Gabon

Colonial system which puts about $500 billions Dollars from Africa to its treasury year in year out.


Also In fact, during the last 50 years, a total of 67 coups happened in 26 countries in Africa,
16 of those Countries are french ex-colonies, which means 61% of the coups happened in Francophone Africa.

 

[Foinikas]

What about 14 African Countries Forced by France to pay Colonial Tax for the benefits of Slavery and Colonization ?

Did you know many African countries continue to pay colonial tax to France since their independence till today

Benin
Burkina Faso
Guinea-Bissau
Ivory Coast
Mali
Niger
Senegal
Togo
Cameroon
Central African Republic
Chad
Congo-Brazzaville
Equatorial Guinea
Gabon

Colonial system which puts about $500 billions Dollars from Africa to its treasury year in year out.


Also In fact, during the last 50 years, a total of 67 coups happened in 26 countries in Africa,
16 of those Countries are french ex-colonies, which means 61% of the coups happened in Francophone Africa.

Colonial tax my @@@

What about Britain and Spain? All happy and friendly?

 

[Foinikas]

I find it quite pathetic that some are willing to look the other way and even defend the French State in its actions abroad on an Island thousands of miles away from France, subjugating the native population and trying to do demographic manipulation to keep control over the island and the people there.

And yet,no anger about Denmark's hold of Greenland

Nor for this



I mean let's face it. PDF muslims have a special hatred for France. It all starts with the sketches,it goes to Algeria, then to the dispute with Turkey. And voila,the French are evil oppressors,but let's all move to Britain mate.

i have to remind you that Britain didn't "willingly" abandon the colonies. They had to. They were forced to do it. They couldn't sustain them after WWII. The cost was just too high. In some places in lives,in other places in money,
in other parts of the world due to political pressure.

 

[hyperman]

i have to remind you that Britain didn't "willingly" abandon the colonies. They had to. They were forced to do it. They couldn't sustain them after WWII. The cost was just too high. In some places in lives,in other places in money,
in other parts of the world due to political pressure.

Oh ofcourse all the euros abandoned their colonies b/c they were unteneable, but some resisted a lot more than others. France as you can see still resists a lot harder than others.

Many of the places you are showing on your map are incorrect btw, case in point Cyprus, the red dot shown there has no people, its an air and naval base only.

There aren't any issues of Britain trying to demographically manipulate a place to maintain control for the most part(outside of diego garcia, what happened in the 70s that they refuse to repatriate)

What France is doing in New Caledonia with the Kanak People is unique. The Evil shit it does by controlling the currency of several african countries is unique, among other things.

I understand you are buddies wit them against Turkey in the Eastern med, but don't excuse their colonial actions in Suppressing the Kanak People halfway around the world or the manipulations in Africa.

You want to compare UK and France, just look at Mauritius and the French Island surrounding it that weren't given sovereignty. The English as much as they have done, have a bit of self reflection, unlike the French.